bullets in .223 Rem., IMR 4895 would be a better choice but in times of scarcity we must use what we can get. . Varmint shooters with small-bore cartridges love it. My experience shows, generally speaking, the faster-burn-rate choices work better with bullets weighing up to 60 grains. 0000006732 00000 n RL15 also meters well, I bought an 8lb jug of 4198 a couple years ago to do some volume loading. While .224-inch thick bullet selection for the .223 Remington is broad and typically ranges in weight from 35 to 90 grains, terminal performance varies. Copyright 2000-2023 24hourcampfire.com, Inc. All Rights Reserved. Seems that most don't like it because of the problems with their powder measures - not because of accuracy issues. Its still a port pressure problem. One of my two 30/30 loads is a 118 grain, plain-based RFN over seven grains of Unique, which yields a thousand shots to a pound. I have a hand throw Hornady powder measure and it doesn't meter well. xHXY%p m^_l +me} C'~af,[sgP Let me know Thanks! CAUTION: The following post includes load data generated by calculation in QuickLOAD software based on a particular powder lot, the assumption the primer is as mild as possible, and assumptions about component, chamber and gun geometry that may not correspond well to what you have. This combination has proven to be very good from a number of rifles, not only mine. Some report that it takes maximum charges to make their AR's extract and pick up the next round from the magazine. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser settings before proceeding. The original load was a 160-gr. but with 55 gr. IMR4198 and a 52gr. IMR 4198 is a relatively fast burning powder for the .223 Remington. The IMR 4198 POWDER is highly stable due to the presence of high-quality chemical stabilizers used in its preparation. My RCBS powder measure hates this stuff. Development of the .223 Remington began in 1957, and it became commercially available in January 1964, about a month prior to U.S. military adoption of its twin cartridge Cartridge, 5.56mm Ball, M193 for the AR-15/M16 rifle. Have tried 4198. 0000002396 00000 n Play with it, you might find that magical combination. For the .223, I loaded 24.5 grains with the Speer 52 grain BTHP match bullets for about 2850 fps and started shooting 1/2" groups in my Ruger 77 long Range Rifle with very little experimenting. Am I correct? I was down to the bottom of the can of my old supply and was very happy to be able to get a new supply from you. 0000001760 00000 n One new winner* is announced every week! When i pick up the handle it wants to cut the powder, i relieve the preasure on the handle a couple of times and it will work it's way threw. 0000002505 00000 n All this guy needs for brush hunting deer in Maine ! My barrel is a 1:8 twist though so I switched to a heavier bullet to tighten the groups. Ive walked the walk, and now I want to share what Ive learned. IMR4198 is used by a lot of cast bullet shooters, loads are in many of the manuals. We continue to prioritize our shipments to our traditional sales channels to maximize powder availability at retailers. Is there any milsurp IMR8208 around anymore? Shoots outstanding ! 78gn of IMR 4198 has shot about .75-1 MOA (5-shots groups) in my Hankins barreled action with the 275BE and 275MH. Your CFE 223 is more efficient for 69 gr. That always seemed to work for me but I was nver able to get a 223 to shoot with an old Rem 788 in 222 Rm. All Shotguns; Bolt Action Shotguns; Meters well, burns clean. I really liked this load. Varmint shooters with small-bore cartridges love it. Just that, in most applications, you wont find a significant difference than if you simply segregate your cases by headstamp. HVr+S&A(U#`H `hP{z#^\EL9O$$EAL2e|j p,~E3w?#' 4198 works fine for 223, it's just not a great choice for an AR. Hb```"V>M~ 'f 4cT8V_:`TEY eA% ONLY TWO DEFINING FORCES HAVE GIVEN UP THEIR LIVES FOR YOU. There is a big difference between a 20-24" bolt gun and a 16" carbine. My AR is a 16" Bushmaster M4 chambered in 5.56. There is the new, commercial IMR 8208 XBR which is a wonderful powder for .223, also H-322. Even at Hodgdon's starting load the primers are cratering and flattening beyond what I get with extruded powders. Additional experimental cartridges were designed to function in the AR-15 and meet military requirements, including the .222 Special (aka .224 Springfield) that had a shorter case, shorter neck and shorter overall cartridge length than the .222 Remington Magnum. Next, remove the residual rim of brass around the pocket. handloads with lightweight 40-grain varmint bullets and HP38, Trail Boss, and CFE Pistol. IMR4198 or H-4198 8208 is also good.. at or near max loads. Beth Shimanski of Savage introduces their all new straight-pull rifle. I found it easy to measure and weigh and made for consistent rounds in Mt 38-55. One sighter shot, then 5 shots for group. In spite of the .223 Remingtons name, standard bullet diameter is .224-inch. Although the .223 Remington is often considered inadequate for deer-sized game, when loaded with a bullet designed for the task, it will kill deer reliably. Bolt Action Shotguns; Lever Action Shotguns; Over Under Shotguns; Pump Action Shotguns; Semi Auto Shotguns; Side By Side Shotguns; Single Shot Shotguns; Other Shotguns; It may still be too hot or may not meet your accuracy objective, but its not likely dangerous to your gun or you. Mostly with the 52 grain bullets. It is also outstanding in cartridges like the 444 Marlin and 7.62 X 39. Hornady is now producing its ELD Match bullets in 52-, 73-, 75- and 80-grain weights. imr 4198 for 223 bolt action. Buy IMR 4198 directly from IMR. The accompanying data is intended for .223 Remington chamber dimensions and includes bullet weights ranging from 35 to 75 grains. Contributing Editor for RifleShooter Magazine, Brad Fitzpatrick gives us a review of this modernized version of an iconic favorite. JavaScript is disabled. H4198 doesn't always produce enough gas to cycle ever rifle but IMR-4198 seems to. Copyright Complaints: Please direct DMCA Takedown Notices to the registered agent: Handloading, Reloading, and Bullet Casting. How much of the 4198 do you have ? Back then a 55gr bullet was a heavy bullet in the 223 and about all I used Seem's factory barrels came with 1-9 twist's said to best balance that heavy bullet. The most accurate load I use for both of my bolt rifles (1/12 & 1/9 twist) is 20-21gr. It's a very versatile powder with many applications. IMR recommends always consulting www.IMRReloading.com for the most accurate, up-to-date data. In either AR action type, the buffer spring can be replaced to vary the spring rate over a limited range. I have an 8lb sealed jug of 4198 that I won't use. Lot's of problems reported using light charges of 4198 especially with short stroking and not picking up the next round in the magazine. 2 Reply Thomaswitt46 2 yr. ago Sierra lists it for up to 55grain bullets. (Arabic) etina (Czech) Dansk (Danish) Deutsch (German) English (English) Espaol (Spanish) If you wanted a longer range varmint load use the 53 V-max and 8208. 0000014422 00000 n The le-de-France (/ i l d f r s /, French: [il d fs] (); literally "Isle of France") is the most populous of the eighteen regions of France.Centred on the capital Paris, it is located in the north-central part of the country and often called the Paris Region (French: Rgion parisienne, pronounced [ej paizjn]). In short, the NATO cases had less weight and capacity variance than commercial cases. 4198 with 40 grainers, you can get those going in the 3700 fps range or more.. I shot a lot of it in .222 back in the '70s before I graduated to .22-250. Ive used 4198 for a few different loads with .223. The gas port in a piston-operated AR is also fixed but may incorporate a size adjustment feature. __________________ I don't recall any data using I-4198. You will receive an email every Friday morning featuring the latest chatter from the hottest topics, breaking news surrounding legislation, as well as exclusive deals only available to ARFCOM email subscribers. Outstanding. This powder works great for my 45/70 gov, loads. Knowing twist rate of your barrel would be helpful? 4198 works excellent in my son's Savage 10 Varmint .223 bolt rifle. I like IMR 4198, have used it in .222 Rem. The .223 is inexpensive, easy to use well, low recoiling, and often very accurate even with military ball-type ammunition. Powder For Sale Northern Indiana (South Bend area). April 17th, 2019 - Imr 4198 Powder Reloading Data I can find load data with 25 gr Hornady s using IMR 4198 but nothing with 20 N120 is one of the suggested 17 Hornet powders in the latest Hornady manual A few test loads for the 458 SOCOM using IMR 4198 Powder and 300 grain this load data There are two options for acquiring data on the Hodgdon . My experience shows, generally speaking, the faster-burn-rate choices work better with bullets weighing up to 60 grains. Hence, many call it the best powder for reloading 223. Trim to length as needed, clean/uniform the primer pockets, reprime, charge with powder, verify powder charges, seat bullets to specific overall length, perform final inspection, box, and label. I use IMR-4198 for my .30BR and 7.62x39 accuracy loads, and will be trying it out using pulled bullets from x39 ammo in x54R reduced recoil loads for my 110lb Granddaughter's scoped M-N 91/30. The .223 Remington is America's favorite cartridge according to rifle and ammunition sales. In the years since, twist rates in AR rifles intended primarily for civilian sales have also been offered with 1:8 and 1:9 twist rates, with some specialty rifles featuring a 1:6.5 twist to stabilize match bullets weighing up to 90 grains. From hunters and military members, to competition shooters and general firearm enthusiasts, we welcome anyone who values and respects the way of the firearm. I don't like how Hornady splits up the 223/5. The data I viewed from imr shows a max load below what you listed if that is in fact correct.You may ffind a very accurate load for your gun using this powder, if you use it as a single shot. Never used it, don't know much about it. 0000007976 00000 n I just finished shooting a batch of 53 BTHP using 19.5 grains..it was one of the softest shooting loads i've shot. soft-point bullet with a muzzle velocity of 1970 f.p.s., but it has improved through the decades with better bullets and increased velocities. 0000012054 00000 n I use 4198 and find it to be a reasonable powder for my application of it in the 55 gr. I still scoop out my powder and dump it in the pan. with a 55gr. Thats all there is to it except for a couple of additional steps that are required to prep military cases and brass. I started to use IMR 8208 XBR for my AR 15 plinkers. Varmint shooters with small-bore cartridges love it. This article is intended for handloaders who have experience reloading for their bolt-action rifles and now want to handload for an AR-style semiautomatic rifle. HV6+.cE) Y$Y8XdO,MFH]0`[Gu%/|m`n`Zh>wOO=||n|nq+4Lv+b,;awwks[GcFx8X3X3;EOS,.ca%?BCAx>9pa. IMR-4198 is probably too slow for most uses in the 450b.--Bob. A few examples include the (1) Browning BLR 81, (2) Thompson/Center G2 Contender, (3) Ruger No. I tried 7 other powders. I always grab what I can when I see it for sale. Many reviews state that military cases are heavier than commercial brass. 243, although I agree it's a port pressure issue . The case was based on a lengthened .222 Remington that offered powder capacity and velocity increases. Excuse my ignorance. Pro-Hunter CFE BLK loads ranged from 2,129 to 2,210 feet/second with group sizes ranging from .272 (.260 MOA) to 1.685 (1.609 MOA). They withstood many reloadings without failure. Good luck and best wishes. Because burning propellant has only one purpose in a bolt gunto propel the bullet out of the barrel. I am new to reloading the .223 round. bullets. The Sierra data seems more on line with what I have seen elsewhere, so I will start with their min. intend on doing with this bullet, and what you intend shooting it out of. It shoots good groups and cycles fine with my AR but after I'm done I'll go back to TAC 2 Reply textbooknarco 2 yr. ago I have come to the conclusion that if this doesn't shoot accurately in your rifle, nothing will. Big difference between the accuracy needed for 300 yard P-dog shots and across-the room HD shots. 0000010557 00000 n Try this? I just cant find a load start/max charge and velocity and OAL for it. With an Accu-Fit stock and left hand adjustable bolt, this rifle is a perfect choice for anyone! If just a pound , I'd give up on it and just get some H-335 and never look back . Examples include the Hornady SP SX and V-MAX, Sierra HP and BlitzKing, Nosler Varmageddon HP and Ballistic Tip, Speer TNT and Barnes Varmint Grenade. 20.6 grains is my maximum with 52/53 grain bullets seated @ 2.250". Results for the 150 gr. . 1 Single-Shot Rifle: Tips to Improve Its Accuracy, Mossberg Patriot Long-Range Hunter Bolt-Action Rifle: Full Review. Does not meter well from my XL650, but I check every charge by hand anyway. Auburn, WA - Man who tried to steal running car shot by homeowner. I don't remember ever trying a different bullet but I might have. Then back to a (published here) max load of 4227 for 300 gr jacketed bullets. In checking commercial .223 Remington cases from Federal, Hornady, NoslerCustom, Remington and Winchester, weights varied from 89.5 to just under 95 grains. This has shot one hole groups for years. All the accompanying data was developed using Winchester Small Rifle primers. We place limited powder inventory for sale on a regular basis on our website. For example, most bullet manufacturers offer highly frangible varmint bullets that give near-explosive results on thin-skinned pests such as ground squirrels and prairie dogs. I was not able to find any this week. I've had friends that couldn't get a gun to shoot good groups,and ran this load in them,and got great results. One of the three most accurate rifles I ever owned. 0 $fGNV^fj2aKQ6AwJV0jt[+.7#F]QI',UB/=wQ};.yG44;}!G/2;'PsOsCd.Y+0A0q4Z'sYOa(ZTC|0Yv E\n.iI. data showing how varying the bulletseating depth improved accuracy in his bolt actions. But because of its grain size being so small. We'll see. POWDERS. Another step Ive found to be necessary when reloading for 223 Rem./5.56mm autoloaders is verifying the headspace. I purchase an 8# jug of IMR H4198 powder for my .17 Hornet NOT my .308 sorry I must have gotten confused. Dime sized groups at 150 yds. and 222 Rem. All I can say is that 4198 is a lot faster and,a lot lighter charge than the powders I use. New Hornady cases were used exclusively here and were uniform in weight, length, flash hole size, etc. Had pierced primers at 48 grs of CFE223 under a 168 SMK in an LR 308. Don't know how things stand today but the 5.56mm round was originally developed with a stick powder very much like IMR4198. That would require a call on your part. 19.8 grains gave me better accuracy than the loads I had charged with W748 and the same projectiles. I use IMR-4198 for my .30BR and 7.62x39 accuracy loads, and will be trying it out using pulled bullets from x39 ammo in x54R reduced recoil loads for my 110lb Granddaughter's scoped M-N 91/30.