His reviews on BEnos are what steered me away from buying one. Money better spent on More AMMO. Muzzle: Shared Silencer SMG Silencer SMG Suppressor SMG Bayonet Rail: Shared Grip SMG Grip SMG Grip Pod LWRC SMG-45 Angled Grip Scope: EOTech 553 Basic SMG Scope TRUGLO Red Dot Sight Advanced SMG Scope Ultra Rare SMG Scope LWRC SMG-45 RDS It shot a shotgun pattern group at close distances. Home protection? Con's a little pricey, early jams until mags loosened up, first few disassembles and reassembles were frustrating. Follow Our Other Media Pages: @rshgungroup Show more LWRC SMG 45 Overview 4.7K views 1 year ago 9mm vs 45 ACP, WE END THE. Figured a few others struggling with this problem might be interested in that update. Suppressed is pure butter, flat and fast. You are using an out of date browser. and our Thats kinda ridiculous. LWRL04-0038C01. Can't disagree more with the guy that said "If you know AR's, you'll know this". Im a big fan of the UMP, and this looks like it will be a good alternative to that! We don't have a bias towards one brand or another but after handling and shooting both guns the B&T was our preference. Reply More posts from r/LWRC. $3k for a short-recoil PCC? It is an investment but great engineered product I expect to enjoy. Comes with two magazines. PISTOL CALIBER PERFECTION. Awesome! Edited by BenelliHunter (01/11/23 08:27 PM) Add to Cart. If I had the opportunity and extra cash Id already own one. I want, but my usually understanding wife will balk at that price. Curious, do yall know if this one will handle .45 Super? Has MOS and suppressor Height Sights, Desert Tech MDRx vs CZ Bren 2 Carbine vs LWRC IC-A5, FS/FT Mk18 (BLK) with upgrades $2k weekend only, FS Springfield Lightweight compact Range Officer, FS Zro Delta AR-15 (over 1400 value) PRICE REDUCED, FT John Wick Budget Blaster /glock 34 gen 5 MOS, FS/FT 16 Springfield Saint - upgraded rail & gas block Vltor, ADM, FS Sig P320 XFull with Romeo1Pro *REDUCED*, FS AR-15 with Monstrum Spectre LPVO - Rare Left Eye Dominant Config, FS/FT NEW - RADICAL FIREARMS AR PISTOL 10.5" BARREL - $369.99 CASH. [SHOT 2020] LWRC SMG-45 Magazine Considering the APC9 is in 9mm and its DI Buffer system is very efficient I think that is a huge complement to have the same recoil as something shooting a bullet half the size. Mainly just another fun expensive range toy. And at 1/3 the price, I'm happy. For starters, the short recoil delayed blowback operating system provides the shooter a softer shooting weapon and fewer parts wear than cheaper PCC offerings. Pricey, but so much fun to shoot. I want one of these but not until they are squared away. LWRC SMG45 apparently has major accuracy issues tacarl2808 Jul 28, 2020 1 2 3 Next tacarl2808 Frontiersman 80 0 Jul 28, 2020 #1 Garand Thumb posted a review showing 8 inch groups at 17 yards, while also shooting inch groups with other PCC's at the same distance. Always. When I heard they were finally releasing the smg I was excited just got mine and it was totally worth every penny.. you get what you pay for already filed my tax stamp for SBR.. just need to know where to buy the stock! Dealer Locator to purchase this rifle. Ambidextrous features: Selector switch Magazine release Bolt catch/release "LWRC's innovation applied to the subgun world - very . The highly anticipated SMG model is built on an AR platform with innovations and high performance features you expect from an LWRCI. LWRC. 0.450.45ACP. What if they just used a set pin instead of a grub screw (or whatever type screw theyre using). Overall, If you have a pistol chambered in 45, this gun is a perfect fit for you due to ammunition compatibility, but if you do not, it is still a viable home defense option by itself alone. You should have no problem finding one." Reactions: Voyager1. 8 inch " barrel bunker hill, wv 25413: used: 7/6/2022.45 acp lwrc smg-45 pistol with sb brace brand new smg45 Add to that the fact that it uses unobtanium (or $80 retail) UMP mags? In the firearms industry often times you get what you pay for, and although the delayed blowback system is more expensive to produce, it keeps you on target and lengthens the firearms life due to lighter parts wear. [ARCHIVED THREAD] - Thoughts on LWRC SMG 45? They've apparently fixed my gun. Today we're reviewing the updated version of the LWRC SMG 45! So Why would anyone buy this instead of a b&t apc45? It's an added bonus that it's coming from a company with great people that are very helpful if you ever have the pleasure to call them. 578-28 RH RIFLING: 1:16 RH | 6 Grooves Features: LWRCI SHORT RECOIL DELAYED BLOWBACK SYSTEM LWRCI HIGH PERFORMANCE ALUMINUM AND STEEL CONSTRUCTION LWRCI RAIL PANELS What are the hives' thoughts on this platform? I have fed it everything from +P 185 gr, to handloaded 200 gr LSWC and 230 gr ball and it didn't skip a beat. HK bUMP All the bullets went in the same tight group. Should I buy one and hope for the best . Copyright 1996-2023 AR15.COM LLC. TRRK TRADING has had a few of these in inventory and sold them all. No range time to proof any of this yet. The Rossi 92: A Firearm That Delivers Both Quality and Value, Sig Sauer 716 Tread 762 Nato 16" Barrel 308 AR-10 R716I-16B-TRD, CZ SCORPION Evo Pistol 9mm OD Green 91355, Smith & Wesson M&P Shield 2.0 9mm NTS No Thumb Safety 11808, MPA Pistol 9mm 6" Threaded Barrel Black Masterpiece Arms 30T, Radical Firearms RF00154 FP10.5-300HBAR-10RPR AR Pistol .300 AAC 10.5" 20-RD, Unique Ultralight-15 223 Wylde 16" Barrel AR15 HEXRIFLE. Still cool as hell though. The CMMG Guard and Banshee also use a true delayed blowback. You running it with a can? If they designed it for 45 ACP then its probably built to handle every other popular pistol cartridge: 9mm, 10mm, 40S&W, 357 Sig, etc. Gamers turn into airsofters who turn into practical rifle / 3 gun guys. Developed for the needs of a government contract back in 2015, this submachine gun (SMG) as LWRC calls it only recently came available in a pistol version available for the general public. If it werent for the $3k price tag Id seriously consider it. Add To Cart. I hope they can get the price down to more realistic levels I picked one up a few weeks ago. I like wired operating systems. Not to go too far off topic but Perhaps HK UMP, since they set the Mk. You have entered an incorrect email address! Designed on our proprietary Short Recoil/Delayed Blowback operating system the new SMG is lightweight - 5.2 lbs and . They are very hard to find however & most you do find are MSRP $2999 or much more on Gunbroker, ect. There are plenty of awesome PCC options on the market at 2/3 1/3 of that. Meet the first model in the SMG Family - the new LWRCI SMG .45 Pistol . ALL of them were having stove pipe issues. Until .45 PCCs are more reasonable in price ill pass. Pistol forearm brace Magpul singlepoint sling Holosun HE510C-GR . Yea gets worse if you add a can. Mine has been flawless and is fun to shoot. What am I doing wrong? Voyager1 Sergeant of the Hide. In stock. This SMG has been shown at least since NRA 2016 in Louisville, theyve had plenty of opportunity to change to 9MM and go to M-LOK, especially considering its stratospheric (for a pistol caliber PDW) $3000 price tag. The invoice lists the following changes: Also got mine back this week . also got the coupon. I did get some early jams because I overloaded the mags right out of the package. (Which happens in under 2 seconds from a full giggle switch equipped Vector.) Secondly, it does NOT stop the rounds rattling in the magazine though its not quite as bad as before. So I can understand that. I first shot it with the 15rd mag and suppressed with a AAC Tirant 45M. There are none to be found, not even on gunbroker. You can tell if you have the upgraded magazines by looking on the back of the magazine at the very bottom it will say V1, This is 25 yards in Benchrest conditions using Remington 230 gr. I think Vectors are completely ridiculous and pointless to everyone except for as a curiosity. That indicates LWRC modified the magazine to work with the SMG-45. Add to cart Add to wishlist. Basically, think modern .30 Carbine sort of concept with more effective terminal ballistics - 1700-2000 fps but in a compact SMG/PCC that can reach out to a legit 150+ yd w/out much if any holdover and still be a very controllable weapon. That overarching cool factor combined with the general level of stupidity of the people picking it up repulses me. Solid as a brick; awesome recoil abatement through the delayed blowback and the fact I can use ubiquitous UMP mags. Still, video games get people into guns. Not to mention how many people with SMG/PDW/pistols/whatever put cans on them? I dont think LWRC will sell a lot of them at that price, but its worth it, at least to me. My wife almost beat the fuck out of some skater idiot for pointing an EVO at her last time we were at a gun shop. For 3k price, I will go for a top of the line Wilson Combat AR pistol that takes glock mag AND with the rest of the money get a Glock 19 that also takes Glock mag. I really like mine. Gunprime reserves the right to modify or change pricing information or descriptions without notice. Training especially Medical. Copyright var date = new Date(); document.write(date.getFullYear()); lwrci.com. So what's next? Lwrc smg 45 pistol. Mine runs fine with and without my Obsidian 45. Most notably, whatever you keep on your nightstand or on your hip. Description. The Hide Armory. The gun is completely ambidextrous out of the box to include the easily reversible charging handle, safety selector, and the paddle mag release similar to ones found on AK platforms. Read up all about the magazine issues here and did another field trial today as well as zeroing my SRO to it. 2.7kg. subscribers . Grab a drink this might get long winded!! pscipio03 Fun O' Meter on FULL Joined Mar 11, 2013 . I own lots of firearms Im way past necessity so looks are very important as bad as that sounds I still want it to work imagine that . Copyright 1996-2023 AR15.COM LLC. If you see one in a gun store all the people my age and below want to marvel at it, play with it and a bunch of them end up muzzling people with it. Click or two UP and Left and I removed all the paint from the 2" painted square and center punched the 1" square. I bought one when they first came out (before doing my research). And the former is accomplished by other PCCs half the price. Only drawback to the B&T is the magazines are expensive. The other shot just fine. Next time I go to the range, I'm taking the front portion of the suppressor off to see if the weight subtraction will increase the reliability. We don't have a bias towards one brand or another but after handling and shooting both guns the B&T was our preference. LWRCI SMG .45- PISTOL CALIBER PERFECTION. Also didn't seem to like plated bullets, and if I'm not mistaken the bolt carrier actually cracked and was messing with the way it functioned. It was very accurate with RD site out to almost 75yds until I saw big drop. $218.40. @RangerTrace (trusted member of multiple forums) had one and sold it quickly due to reliability problems. The tension should be just enough for the barrel to flex in-and-out (forward and backward) but just barely. The LWRC SMG-45 Crown is a Submachine Gun. Got a HK German spring for it. Mine (SN: 000118) continues to run great. With MY gun and My suppressor, it is evident to me that BOTH the accuracy and feeding are related to the suppressor. Sounds stupid, but IME, its something that attracts a certain kind of idiot and, if you get one, guess who you end up attracting? I saw one of these on a tv gun show last week and started looking them up for extra info. I'm extremely excited to hopefully put some rounds through one eventually. All Rights Reserved. Found a Kriss Vector in .45 for a third of the price that shot a much tighter group. Outdoor Hub, LLC (d/b/a Carbon Media Group), 30800 Telegraph Rd, Suite 1921, Bingham Farms, MI 48025 USA. Meet the first model in the SMG Family, the SMG-45. I thought about saving up for one of these, and then thought more about it, I'd rather reach out to Tom Bostic or HK Ralph Jr. and build something. If your the person who want suppressors on everything, then 45 ACP and 300 AAC are your favorite choices. Add To Cart. Within the next few weeks, more will show up at local dealers. Discover Is the First Gun Store Transaction Tracking Credit Card. As I stated above, accuracy was garbage. Absolutely love this sub-gun and couldn't be happier with the fit, finish, accuracy or reliability. Active rebates (8) Mark 7 Super Savings. LWRCI SMG .45- PISTOL CALIBER PERFECTION. Great fit and finish in tradition of LWRC. BrianEnos.com Especially with the glock mag lower. Realistically, its no different from all the tools who grew up reading too much Soldier of Fortune in the 70s and 80s. The latter cant be accomplished due to the current state of our civil liberties but really it full auto fire rate is still a little too high. That is awesome. Now that ive mention it 1 of the two LWRCs ive seen was a jamomatic and the other didnt do anything a free gloated M&P doesnt do while being hundreds less and looking nearly identical. I found it odd that there was a quiet time between when he got it, had issues and then sold it. I have the chance to get one in the next 6 days or so but I am very very very on the fence. Thats exactly why I posted this. https://www.lwrci.com/assets/images/5563.jpg, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOxjWxpi5bg. Generally speaking I fail to see the point in a semi-auto subgun. Quick View. They may have fixed the accuracy issue with the new models. I got to handle one at my LGS. I am on the hunt also, I might buy a APC45 PRO while I am waiting. Report a problem. I have a SIG MPX PCC as one of my bedside firearms. If I had a new gun, was raving about it and then it turned into a lemon, Id let people know instantly. I have both German and US made and I see no difference in quality. Probably. Im just concerned about the accuracy. Length: 6.36". Display as a link instead, Lwrc never responded to my design flaw email or at least not yet. Snipers Hide is a community of Snipers of all kinds, focusing on long range shooting, accuracy, and ballistics. When I talked to them at SHOT Show, they were like, "Oh yeah, we're cranking them out as fast as we can. We both shot 1 inch groups from the standing position. Anyone have any further updates on the smg 45? Pics/specs/details? Recoil is minimal and similar to well tuned AR, but way less blast. 81 rounds at my disposal topped off with a Leopoldo DPP. These are pretty sweet. Im a LWRC. *Must have a registered ARFCOM account to win. They fix the accuracy issues? It didnt work out so well. Constructed using high performance aluminum and steel materials with premium hard coat anodized nitride nickel boron surface treatments throughout, the SMG .45 is built to last. It may not display this or other websites correctly. It would be a shame not to shoot it suppressed. I had a chance to handle a SMG45 a while back & was very impressed with the build quality & ergonomics. Does anyone have one yet that could shed any light on what its like in person? The most common delayed blowback is one implemented by H&K in MP-5 and G3. NEW in box Never Fired LWRC SMG-45. This is a great shooting little gun.. Classifieds 258 Location:Montgomery, Alabama Posted December 9, 2021 I could get 10+ M3 SMGs for the cost of one of these. 2 mags are USA made and 2 mags are German made. If you don't have an optic yet, then no worries it ships with robust Magpul MBUS PRO backup iron sights that won't fail you when it counts. MAP. Nice looking pcc/subgun! It arrived back in my grubby hands today. Rapid Fire. Anyone in here have one and experiencing the problem? Dumped the LWRCi. Retail is $2995. Personally, I like it, and personally, I want a 45 SMG, and in a new design. It does seem like they refined it and made it more custom, I was thinking it would have a standard AR charging handle and be blow back, basically just an AR45. With a relatively inexpensive 300 BLK upper, you get the same utility as the SMG at a fraction of the cost. It's a great gun but we prefer the B&T APC45 to the LWRC SMG. $120.64. Theyll sell a lot more of these things if they cut the price to a grand or so. HK Parts has the US made mags for $49. ATF Proposed Rule 2021-R08 has been signed by the Attorney General and published in the Federal Register although we only have a vague date of "August 2022" for finalization. Constructed using high performance aluminum and steel materials with premium hard coat anodized nitride nickel boron surface treatments throughout, the SMG .45 is built to last. Groups in close are tight (2-inches at 25 yards on a bench rest) good, at least for me and my crappy eyesight. At just under $3,000, this is a pretty expensive range toy with sub par accuracy. (Especially if you SBR them.). If so, I would love one. This SMG-45 is in excellent condition and comes with (2) 25 round magazines, pistol grip tools, manual, and the original box. I sure hope they get it figured out and soon. LWRC SMG-45 By DK535, November 12, 2021 in Other Firearms & Non-NFA Reply to this topic Start new topic DK535 Forum Dabbler Members 3 14 posts Trader Feedback 0 0 0 Total Rating 0% Posted November 12, 2021 Does anyone know if the SMG-45 is legal to own in NJ? Sexy AF, but early reports are less than stellar. Would be a lot more attractive at 1.5k range. But $3k That's top end pricing man. To be fair, Id bet you had the exact same level of bullshit with MP5s and other HK shit two decades ago when the Rainbow Six games were all the rage. Manufacturer: LWRC International Model: SMG Caliber: 45 Auto / ACP SKU: 850006403509 MPN: SMGPB45B8S UPC: 850006403509 Vendor: Gunprime (3) Sale! Dont tell me about the top sold of anything. Just read some reviews on the B&T and none were flattering. Meet the first model in the SMG Family - the new LWRCI SMG .45 Pistol. Only trade would be a Vudoo sporter style .22 in great shape. I think you guys are right about many people owning them and not realizing there is accuracy issues maybe not seeing it of just blaming there own shooting or Ammo on bad groups and flyers . Or for that matter, are there any .45 ACP SMG's that can also run .45 Super? Pro's obvious quality, low recoil, super accurate, nice trigger, excellent fit and finish. The safety lever is ambidextrous, too, as is the paddle-style magazine release under the rear of the magazine well. Please complete the fields below to send your friend a link to this product. $2350 shipped. Any updates yet? I have a CZ Scorpion 9mm and this one shoots much smoother and less fatigue. If Biden's plan goes through, I'll probably SBR it. JavaScript is disabled. ago The first shot ever sheared the hook on the hammer. LWRCICR5TG16SPRBT. Sure. Naturally, the muzzle is threaded. They scored me one at a great price (why you should always support your local dealers). I found a like new used Kriss for $1200. The SMG-45 uses an inertia-driven, delayed blow-back design. Way too many problems for the price for my liking. Founded by Frank Galli in 2000, Snipers Hide has been offering informational videos, podcasts, and other support to its users in one location. These versions all come with an 8.5 barrel, the SB Tactical SBTi folding subgun brace and two 25-round magazines (or less capacity depending on how much Freedom your location allows). Thread starter Dschapp44; Start date Oct 24, 2019; Forums. JavaScript is disabled. April 29, 2019 at 21:58 Typical. $19.99 for firearms: details: Primary Arms. Ive read all the reviews and videos. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Plus the extra range capability and velocity are pluses. Any use of this content without express written consent is prohibited. I'm thrilled to hear that this rifle is finally shipping. The only thing Vectors do well is take glock mags and, theoretically, better at full auto. Important information regarding ammo orders, Important information regarding pistol braces, The Ultimate Guide to 5.7x28mm Ammunition Pistols and Rifles [2023], The Ultimate Guide to 5.7x28mm Ammunition Pistols and Rifles, The Ultimate Guide To Pistol Caliber Carbines (PCCs) & Submachine Guns (SMGs), The Ultimate Buyer's Guide to Bullpup Rifles & Shotguns for [2023], AR10 Ultimate Guide: The Definitive Guide to the Best AR10s, AR10 Parts, and AR10 Accessories [2023]. The SMG 45's 8.5-inch cold hammer-forged chromoly steel barrel gives overall length of 26 inches; that shrinks to 15.25 inches with the pistol brace folded to the right of the receiver. A non-reciprocating forward charging handle can be swapped from the left to the right side depending on the users preference. Quick View. Subbed to stay abreast of its development. Pretty sweet but lots of issues. Fit, finish, and design are fantastic (though for the consumer market I could have gone for M-LOK slots rather than LWRC's own attachment system). They seem to attract a certain level of tomfuckery that other guns dont. Trick #1: Remove the thread cap New From LWRC: SMG-45 .45 ACP SBR and Pistol, NYT Reporter: LaPierre Unanimously Re-Elected, Its Official: LaPierre, All NRA Officers Unanimously Re-Elected Without Opposition, Meadows Elected President, Kiger Updates the 9c Compact With the New Kiger-9c Pro 9mm Pistol, Smith & Wesson Announces the New M&P FPC Pistol Caliber Carbine, Whats In Your Wallet? Look at the no-name guy who got a million hits for his new Python failing video. Well there for sale at Omaha fire arms right now and Im not buying it ( right now ) . Please contact a dealer from our But I wanted a short .45. Upload or insert images from URL. LWRC International SMG 45 ACP 25 Round Capacity SMGPB45B8S - $2899 LWRC's ingenuity has produced yet another awesome platform in a caliber that you have to love. Using the factory V1 mags, I put through 25 rounds of Federal aluminum case and 25 rounds of 230 ball reloads. Is it classified as a pistol? Its a .45 ACP subgun that takes HK UMP magazines. But it doesnt mean those are particularly good beers just because theyre sold in massive quantities. LWRCI Enhanced Fire Control Group. I much prefer the HK style 4 position safety, but I can see the utility of a gun you can flip from safe directly to burst without the risk of accidentally setting it to semi or dumping a magazine. I really hope Lwrc acknowledges and fixes the accuracy issues with the smg 45 . Aug . Pasted as rich text. .Personally, if I was going to buy something specifically because I saw it in a game it would be like the BFG from Doom, Gravity Gun from Half-Life or something crazy from Borderlands or the Destiny franchise., Im still waiting for a phased plasma rifle in a 40 watt range. Much as I like my HK pistols I do hate the fact that there are no 3rd party vendors for HK parts in general which means mags are pricey and remain that way. I'm glad to gear it's shooting well for someone. Too busy at work. Speaking of backpack guns and PDWs, the collapsible length of a mere 15.3 inches with its SB tactical folding brace provides the handler high concealability. The accuracy and the butt stock being set down slightly are the only things he disliked from the whole package . To be fair to the Vector, its a very good brand of new hotness. I was really looking forward to buying one soon but now I'm going to have to hold off. A lot do, and as you probably know 45 ACP is well suited for suppression. Login for Special Pricing. This in vogue offering from LWRC can be easily understood considering the recent uptick in pistol caliber carbines (PCC), but what makes this product different than other offerings? For that price you're retarded to buy that. You people need to learn to post pics of stuff I know nothing about. I like the ump mags instead of Glock mags for this. Cosmohumanist Friends, a major seller in AZ appears to be liquidating 10.5" DIs for a huge discount. Thanks! "Need" is a slope of slipperiness in dubious exercising. I have a dozen pistols, 4 sub-guns, and 8 rifles. ). The new LWRCI SMG-45 is an extremely nice looking and feeling, high quality firearm. freqchance SMG-45 reliability problems. I think this is a magazine issue, not a gun issue. fan boy but Ive heard less than flattering things about that gun. B&T GHM45 and APC45 are excellent options. Fit, finish, and design are fantastic (though for the consumer market I could have gone for M-LOK slots rather than LWRCs own attachment system). Both mags worked flawlessly, but accuracy at about 20 yards was rubbish. Ive long been a proponent/advocate that as HK and Kriss did with their MP5/10mm and Kriss's 10mm, companies should take advantage of the fact they're making a shoulder fired weapon.. ie it aint a handgun thats difficult to control and, and should therefore produce SMG/PCC's in hot rounds like 10mm, .45 Super, .460 Rowland, .40 Super, 9x25 Dillon.. heck even 9x23mm and .357 SIG etc options would be sweet. LWRCI's SMG 45 is built to the highest quality standards of any SUB-GUN on the market today. April 29, 2019 at 23:33 I admit Rangers first thread didnt make it sound like it was worth the $$. It may not display this or other websites correctly. HKUMPUMP45. Quick View. AR15.COM is the world's largest firearm community and is a gathering place for firearm enthusiasts of all types. ), yes Ive looked at the b&t but it just looks awful to me . Would have fun owning it if I could afford such an extravagance and all that money to keep it well fed. smg-45 lwrc smg 45 pistol .45 acp low round count 50 rounds fired 8 inch " barrel pompano beach, fl 33076: used: 8/12/2022.45 acp lwrc smg-45 pistol + sb brace and eight mags! The SMG-45 was released at the end of 2019 but at SHOT 2020 LWRC had more to say about the platform. ago . Sponsored Content $449.00 Diablo 12 Gauge Pistol Nickel with Rosewood Fin. by 3dcart Online Store Creator. The item you are trying to purchase is currently out of stock.Please enter your name, email, and phone number below. Been following it since it was announced. Well, that and the 5K is just plain cool as hell. Sponsored Content $589.00 My SMG-45 and REPR MKII (6.5-CM) are the LAST two I'd vote off the island. The result is an extremely high damage per shot for an engineer weapon, as well as increased damage multipliers to the limbs and a slightly increased damage multiplier to the head. The result is a. I don't feel like such a moron when I clean it. The magazine has been loaded but the gun has never been fired. I guess Im old fashioned. Meet the first model in the SMG Family - the new LWRCI SMG .45 Pistol. Mine has been fine on both counts but I haven't shot it much recently. LWRC says they've resolved the issues and from my testing yesterday, it appears they are correct. No, its not a popular handgun cartridge, because when you have to hold a double stack 45 handgun it always feels like a behemoth.