But to settle for just anyone being the offender offers no justice to the victims and certainly does no merit to those who are woefully lacking in ALL the details of this case, but nevertheless feel the need to vent their spleen on an innocent person. she didnt need to . I want to keep the tons of old jewelry but Im perplexed. Tiffany, it is amazing you have all the answers to these murders! There was a blood-stained fingernail and hair found on the victims body, and even though (in Keith Morrisons Dateline documentary) the Asst. Killers can plan all the details and alibis well ahead of the murder while cops must come up with hard evidence, even just to make an arrest. But because there is no author of this page, I would like you to contact me on the Free Patricia Rorrer facebook page. I comment on these forums because they are the only places offering the opportunity to, hopefully, bring awareness to those whore unfamiliar with this case and her unfair plight. As I stated previously, if she cannot speak for herself, Im happy to step up on her behalf. After the King told the Duke of York of planned budget cuts to royal funds, the disgraced royal has since refused to leave his 30-bedroom Royal Lodge in Windsor. You know the answer to that, the same as I do, which is. All of them returned without a DNA analysis because they contained no root material. We will automatically post your comment and a link to the news story to your Facebook timeline at the same time it is posted on MailOnline. Other loyal friends and associates attested to Patricias kindness toward horses and devotion to her daughter, whom she took along as she worked in stables. Oh, and she was so obsessed with him that she started dating and found herself a boyfriend that was not only younger, but much more attractive than Andy? Omg so well put! Go somewhere else where your asserted expertise will be professionally tested and you wont be so frustrated and insulting about those who disagree (with your expertise and opinion). It was winter which are cold in PA and would slow down decomposition and minimize insect activity although you are correct about the rodentswhy were there none? Family members found Joanns tan Toyota sitting vacant in the parking lot of McCartys, a nearby bar. I was so excited that I called everyone, and Joanne picked up the phone and she said Andy is married, and I said I know, then she said we have a baby, and I said yea I know, then she said dont ever call here again. Nope. Those that think that Patricia is innocent are simply groping at straws. Combination locks. But none of those charges ever stuck. Early in the investigation, the hairs found in the car were sent (in glass slides) to several laboratories including the FBIs. Get up-to-the-minute news sent straight to your device. Joanne and Alex didnt disappear until 12/15. Davidson County Sheriff's deputies helped with interviews, gathering evidence and checking alibis. They were telling the truth and revealing the type of person she was, a person that definitely would kill out of jealousy and revenge. Its definitely getting rougher every day, Andrew told the Morning Call. If I see anything that offers a differing opinion or is inaccurate, I think its entirely fair I should say my piece. She made Joanne kill the baby PLEASE. The criminal, a crazy with a psychotic crush on a man, the planner a individual with a lot of self esteem and narcissistic charm who can persuade women, was rich thought compared to the individual in this case, and the victim, a woman who saw her life only as a wife and mother and had no other pretensions, and that even if she had threatened the individual that she would leave a few times, she always stayed. And about the only thing from your comment with which I can agree, is you saying thats not proof theyre right in reference to their verdict. Dance defense. My biggest issue is the day the phone call came in, and the fact that the prosecutor deliberately misrepresented the facts. Some two years into the investigation of Rorrer, a court order was obtained to remove hair specimens from her. You may not use our site or service, or the information provided, to make decisions about employment, admission, consumer credit, insurance, tenant screening or any other purpose that would require FCRA compliance. Another thing that stumps me is Joannes supposed good friend who said that Joanne told her she was leaving Andrew. ), The Wrong Man investigators Ira Todd and Joe Kennedy have some theories of their own. And Patricia did live in another state. His wife's vehicle was discovered in a parking lot 100 yards away from their house. So you see, MY STATE OF MIND is based on factual information. Your email address will not be published. According to court papers from Patricia 2017 appeal, DNA on the cigarette butt found near the two bodies belonged to Appellant. (Prosecutor Michael McIntyre, however, told ForensicFilesNow.com that that the cigarette butt was never actually tested). (We didnt get into the specifics.). (Disclaimer: Im not a big fan of eyewitnesses who come forward years after the fact, but its possible). Angry that Joann hung up on her, she stalked her for three days, then broke into her basement and cut the phone line, put a gun to Joanns head as she was placing Alex in the car, and forced her to drive to the rural area. Why is this even a question, why people are trying to take out killers into society? MY STATE OF MIND is based on factual information. So would judge and jury say. The first rule of a murder is motive. Well, at least you managed some sense there when you say that, especially when you take into account the amount of evidence and witnesses which were withheld from the Defence and what appears to be a clear case of evidence-tampering. If you can tear yourself away from your obsessive mentality, you can see what virtually amounts to the tampering to which I referred. In recent weeks, the King has reportedly asked all members of the royal family to tighten their belts and to expect less money from the Duchy now owned by Charles than in the past. Any subsequent proof emerging and then revealed in a book or documentary is surely something that should be taken seriously and investigated if necessary. Any subsequent proof emerging and then revealed in a book or documentary is surely something that should be taken seriously and investigated if necessary. Does it actually have to be an obligatory duty for anyone to be present at a trial before they are able to have an opinion? They found several specimens but not a single one was a match. Dont even think about arguing with me until they DNA test that hair and the broken fingernail found on her body; Ill just laugh at you. If Patricia had injuries it wouldve only been to her hands and she wasnt questioned right away which is also the reason she took Joanne elsewhere to kill her so her body wouldnt be found for a while and she would have time to return home. Although the prosecution used it as evidence that she was trying to create a false alibi, it actually sounded more like Patricia was simply trying to nail down the facts he had already asserted to her. No way for 4 months, that deceased baby would still be resting across the mothers chest. They returned with a guilty verdict and a sentence of two life terms. Quote if I had known I would get caught, I would never have brought you into this world. Pat to Nicole her daughter. The fact that shortly after Joanns funeral, Andy reconnected with an old friend, a woman who happened to live about 4 miles from where the bodies were found. Another inaccuracy in this is, they state the jury took SIX HOURS to return a verdict, when in fact it took less than TWO HOURS. Watching Reasonable Doubt right now hope they also find that she did it. Well ask you to confirm this for your first post to Facebook. All Rights Reserved. She had money put aside. Have you read the book? It was just assumed to be crib death. Authorities said the 3-month-old died either of suffocation or of exposure while lying on his mother's stomach. Very similar. Shes where she belongs in prison for the rest of her life. After one bullet didnt kill Joann, the gun locked up, so Patricia had to beat her to death, according to the prosecution. Why not question some of this evidence? Check Background Get Contact Info This Is Me - Edit Reputation & Background ANDREW Tate has complained "they won't let me leave" in another whinge from prison after claiming he is suffering from a "serious health condition". Re Routier, the claim that she inflicted a potentially fatal injury on herself by no means indicates another perp: she could have inflicted it in ignorance, as a suicide attempt, or in a semi-psychotic state. I can only suggest you read through my comments again, only more thoroughly. And the point the hair in her hand wasnt tested was because they didnt need it since they had the killer shame on everyone who went along with that. For the past two years, Patricia Lynne Rorrer was a watched woman. For one thing, her mother never asked Sandra Ireland to hide the gun, and she retrieved it on the way home the next day she worked as a bus driver and couldnt take it with her to school. He added: No official diagnosis has been confirmed and he is in good shape and is staying strong. The obvious, if moot, response to this is to observe that her conviction wasnt based on inaccurate documentaries but on trial. This witness was never revealed to Rorrers defence. Shame on your for defending a vicious killer. Anyway, there are thousands of people who differ from that belief, that is why there is so much controversy surrounding this case, and that is why there have been numerous convicted people in the past whove been exonerated on appeal. of course they all do it to make money only, some of them do it shamelessly, without the slightest attempt to be fair and honest. which makes a complete nonsense of their gun theory. Glenn Myers, 50, who stabled Rorrer's horses in Tyro, said she was a loving horsewoman and mother. (Lehighvalleylive.com file photo). False. "His wish is to attend a prearranged consultation in Dubai . The feminist in me is, like, hell yeah!: Will men take the male contraceptive pill? The couple moved into Andrew's sturdy brick house at 740 Front Street in Catasauqua, Pennsylvania. Jul 11, 1929 - Sep 10, 2011 (Age 82) Plant Memorial Trees Opens send flowers url in a new window Rorrer's ex-boyfriend, Andrew Katrinak, was the husband of Joann Katrinak and Alex's father. She was also accused of breaking into barns, stealing horses, and underfeeding the ones she owned. Despite the new evidence and hypotheses, the courts have rejected all of Patricias bids for a new trial. At the trial, prosecutor Michael McIntyre alleged that Patricia remained obsessed with Andrew Katrinak long after their breakup despite testimony that shed had many boyfriends and live-in lovers to occupy her bandwidth. They depict scenes which are pure speculation or exaggeration or present scenes, which in fact were only theories mentioned at her trial. Perhaps she used more than one gun using another/others for the target shooting than the one she killed with (and others shot with her?) I hope she rots in hell. Sorry, I must have missed your name on the witness list. Most of your comment absolutely astonishes me. Andrew J Katrinak, 68. Wow. A-list trainer shares the ultimate do's and don'ts of workout etiquette - revealing why you should NEVER use a metal water bottle, Trump collaborates with January 6 prison choir in release of new single 'Justice for All' - which dropped ahead of his CPAC appearance, King Charles will offer Prince Harry and Meghan a Buckingham Palace apartment when they visit UK after kicking them out of Frogmore Cottage. At the states request, the instructor wore a wire during a phone conversation with Patricia. If they were unable to get a DNA reading the first time, why the need for a second examination? Later, they both worked 12-hour graveyard shifts at a textile factory. Beautifully said Cliff! Just one example. Exactly At 17, Patricia dropped out of high school and married landscaper Gary Gabard. That documentary points out that, despite the bodies of the two victims supposedly being exposed for several months, their condition remained relatively undisturbed by weather or animal activity. Too bad she got off with just a life sentence. Rorrer, formerly of the Phillipsburg and High Bridge areas, was living in Linwood, North Carolina,. And she would just call out of the blue., According to the Free Patricia Rorrer page on Facebook:I called him to let him know that I was going to the USA finals for a horse show. So much of it, it would take all day to elaborate here. Theyre more than happy to exaggerate and speculate the details of the crime, which serves to attract more viewers who (like you) seem to be happy to believe it all. And this doesnt apply to your opinion learnt from a well-researched book, from documentaries which show and mention a great deal of facts and evidence which was never brought up at her trial. They dont need to make money??? If you have ever met or been in a relationship with a narcissist, the former partner being with a more young and attractive-looking person would make them go off. Joann would have fought for her life the person that did this would have had marks on them from a fight! Sometimes Teresa goes by various nicknames including Teresa Jean Katrinak, Teresa J Benchini, Teresa J Benckini and Teresa J Katrinak. The evidence is overwhelming of her guilt. At 6 a.m. on June 24, 1997, police arrested Patricia at her modest house in Linwood, North Carolina, and took her back to Pennsylvania. Every type of cut, bruise etc would heal perfectly in that time. On December 12, 1994, Joann answered a phone call from a woman shed never met, Patricia Rorrer, her husbands onetime girlfriend. Sorry ladiesher hair was in the car and at the scene.she murdered them. Your email address will not be published. They portray heavily slanted and biased shows. His doctors have requested that he returns to Dubai for further testing. The Free Patricia Rorrer page points to a sliver of a fingernail found at the murder site that didnt come from either Patricia or Joann. Just saying. Its an opinion learnt from a well-researched book, from documentaries which show and mention a great deal of facts and evidence which was never brought up at her trial. Look into it. If I knew I was going to get caught, I never would have brought you into this world, the arresting officers testified they heard her say to Nicole. Aside from the hair, there was almost zero forensic evidence. Today, Patricia Lynne Rorrer resides in State Correctional Institute at Muncy, a medium and maximum security facility that has the highest rate of cancer of all prisons in Pennsylvania, according to a story from northcentralpa.com. I attack only those whove considered themselves not only judges on this case, but go on to vent their spleen aimed at a person who in my opinion is innocent of this crime, based on all Ive read and watched without fear of retaliation If they so freely attack someone in the most vicious way, why should they be off limits? Even if there were some minor flaws or discrepancies in the investigation, thats normal. ", The much-faster-than-expected economic recovery thats followed the easing of the coronavirus pandemic has produced several encouraging develo. It makes me sick. Acquaintances said Rorrer started dating Brian Ward, 34, in 1995. Why bother with this site, which isnt for professional criminalists/forensic scientists, if youre going to get so tetchy and rude? The Duke of York is set to lose 250,000-a-year in funding from the King as part of a shake-up of private royal finances and has had to sell off assets including a 19million ski chalet to cover the costs of settling the sex scandal case with Virginia Roberts Giuffre - a victim of Jeffrey Epstein. Finally, another irony you fail to appreciate: you claim theres money to be made from the commercials added into their show. Please subscribe to keep reading. I do. She and Andrew Katrinak shared a house in Salisbury Township in the mid-1980s, when he was a self-employed contractor and she was a real-estate agent. Cops under pressure will lie to close a case. Book her. Patricias phone bill showed no record of a call to Catasauqua that day, but police noticed she didnt make any calls at all from her house in North Carolina that day either suggesting she could have been out of state and used a pay phone to dial up the Katrinaks. All 3 of her alibis were lies, DNA tied her to the murder, there was no sexual assault, she had a violent past, was obsessed with Andy, and was caught lying about owning a gun, which coincidentally jammed after firing once and shell cases were found on her property. Taking into account various assets, Andrew's net worth is greater than $25,000 - $49,999; and makes between $50 - 59,999 a year. Yes, that doesnt mean shes unquestionably guilty, but it does mean her case has been relatively exhaustively examined (and its not over) and it means that your assertion that you are right and the guilty camp are wrong (and that this should be obvious) is absurdly overplayed. Im a hunter and in the spring I have found many dead deer that died from starvation or other reasons and the bodies are untouched. He would be alive today if it were not for Patricia Rorrer. The mild-mannered Sarah died in 2019 at the age of 83. About a year ago, Rorrer told Myers about the investigation but said she had been framed. And, why is it reasonable to believe lay people accept the jury verdict? True, Andrew would have no way to acquire and plant Patricias blond hair there because it wasnt that color when she knew him. Prince Andrew is refusing to leave his home at Royal Lodge and instead is demanding a mansion "fit for a King", according to royal sources. Andrew described his existence with Joanne and Alex as a little Camelot., Ex-spouse off list. Not everything is a conspiracy. neither her nor there couldnt be linked to her. For goodness sake, it was never proved at her trial she used the gun the police so steadfastly offered as evidence or for that matter, ANY OTHER GUN. Im inclined to think both Rorrer and Routier are guilty. Justice is about uncovering the truth. Perhaps that would lessen your fright. Meanwhile, the case of the missing mother and baby turned into colossal news across the U.S. and internationally. For more information governing use of our site, please review our Terms of Service. This woman was motivated by an obsession with a man who no longer wanted her. After a very early failed marriage, the 24-year-old Joann scored a new husband in Andrew Katrinak, 38, whom she met at a club. After a very early failed marriage, the 24-year-old Joann scored a new husband in Andrew Katrinak, 38, whom she met at a club. PS Speculative lies is meaningless. Im trying to understand exactly your reasoning asking me staying away from this site because of my insulting remarks! That woman has no soul. He wanted to move to Colorado and she was against it.. State police and the Philadelphia division of the FBI appealed to the public for leads. Its perfectly understandable that one should feel sorry for the victims of this heinous crime. She should have received the death penalty imo. I would suggest you take the time to read the book or, at least watch the documentaries which STICK TO THE FACTS, and then comment. Rorrers defenders remind me of a case in my home town There was a killer who confessed, was caught on video committing the murder and was seen committing the crime by an eye witness. But let me say in my defence, I have not attacked anyone on this particular site with outright rudeness, to which you allude, albeit some of them deserved a retort of some substance. DNA also doesnt lie. Andrew Katrinak said he found his basement door ajar and removed from its hinges, and a phone line had been cut. According to a Morning Call account from March 5, 1998: McIntyre leaned forward conspiratorially like someone trying to persuade another to tell a secret, lowered his voice and said: Heres what I want to know: After you killed Joann Katrinak, did you kill that baby or just leave it to die?. After a very early failed marriage, the 24-year-old Joann scored a new husband in Andrew Katrinak, 38, whom she met at a club. After all, justice has been served in the eyes of the law, so why go on demonising her? ``She told me she was praying about it.'. Dont know from where youve got your information about this case my guess is youve been watching a lot of those documentaries which revel in showing the case in a disgracefully biased manner. The police report misspells his name (Troutman) and doesnt include his address, suggesting authorities didnt want anyone to track him down, according to Patricias side. Not sure why anyone is defending her. A woman convicted in the 1994 murders of a Catasauquawoman and the victim's 3-month-old son was back in court on Tuesday. According to Pennsylvania State Police, Rorrer met Andrew Katrinak, the husband and father of the victims, in 1986. The fact that Joanne was found with a hair clutched in her hand that was inconsistent with both her and Patricia (that they conveniently didnt bother to test). Flaw in reasoning. As to her duration on death row, no: inference cannot be made as to her guilt as theres a woman with about the same time (Holberg) and another with almost as much. Traupman claimed that when he reported the dispute, trooper Robert V. Egan III got mad and practically kicked him out of his office. Its barely visible in the picture. Prosecution leader McIntyre, when interviewed, laughingly dismissed him as a nut in an effort to trivialise Traupmans input. Nobody said bodies were intact. Pfeiffer and Burke claimed that police Sgt. What definition? By posting your comment you agree to our house rules. Pat will spend the rest of her natural life in prison where people like her belong. After an hour Id call anyone whod listen to me including police! This article seems to have a great many errors and omissions, more by design, I fancy, than a need to tell the story objectively. Hoist by my own petard! The District Attorney got this one right. And while youre on that list, you can be happy in the knowledge youre not in rarefied company.