DAPAM 623-3 provides a listing of the box check interpretations. 0000002615 00000 n #d/k|0a" 0p5!L.p5D%7 It appears that units are using this when Soldiers REFRAD or ETS. I switched units. # $ % 1 7 ^ b g h o p q + , - > @ U a Save 5% off your first order with the Coupon Code ASKTOP05. h[k07Jm($[%k>hHl?cKRCH:#QRFLiyvMr97K[ztjv7\/5d0HAgU'HmD00ZgfOsq(@Zz{9hR~7U5Wn9.%.5],B8ai,Z.+q}O78wp)nl(>BmQaK3V8^JWN12T~:%0u`{ {[nq",G]0]D '= ;IPjHmR{?. `cOTI6-TR{$ CI%H `0pAc:>;Iriz(`: F{b 3vu@ ` { Information on AskTOP is categorized into a number of subject areas for convenient browsing. "The rating period does not meet the minimum time requirements for the specified reason for . OJ QJ ^J hq1V h8 Mark is a Retired Command Sergeant Major with 26 years of military leadership experience. There are some very specific requirements in DAPAM 623-3 for these situations that were written to help boards understand the information. The pandemic didn't help things. The THRU date will be determined by the, rated Soldiers circumstances. Table 3-6: Codes and reasons for submission, page 48 Table 3-7: Reason codes for non-rated time, page 48 Table 3-8: Command codes within NCOERS, page 48 DA PAM 623-3 13 August 2007 iii. Bullets not spaced with a blank space/line. A code 04, "Change of Duty" report, is mandatory when a rated Soldier is reassigned to a different principal duty while still serving under the same rater or when he or she is separated from Army service. OJ QJ ^J hq1V h8 > ( * ' _ I am in the reserves so everyone I have ever heard of that is getting medboarded or medboarded has taken 2-3 years. According to Paragraph 1-1, "The Army is a profession. I am waiting on orders to clear and get out. Reviewer is a SFC, 1SG, or MSG or MSG (P) not filling CSM/SGM position (see AR 623-3, para 2-8b). Rating officials and rated Soldiers signing more than 14 days prior to the THRU date. If I receive quarters for 24 hours when am I required to report to work? We will never publish or sell your email address, nor will we ever send you information you have not requested. I commonly will take 28 or 29 just because of processing time through the unit, so I don't have an NCOER with an "E" code. Am I missing something or is my rater wrong and needs to change my thru date? All rights reserved. He did. Disclaimer: Though all content posted on AskTOP.net is reviewed by our qualified subject matter experts, you should not make decisions based solely on the information contained in this post. Reviewer is a SFC, 1SG, or MSG or MSG (P) not filling CSM/SGM position (see AR 623-3, para 2-8b). AR 623-3 is current. You may not alter or remove any trademark, copyright or other notice from copies of the content. I cant cry in front t of soldiers. 0 hb```g ea80yQF `>bFf 1s"s's y2U330T/fa`m2fr30v@U " everyone involved now is very positive and they are moving it forward I just need to know about the Non rated time and how it relates to retirement. AskTOP is a blog that connects you to a network of active and retired military leaders who answer your Army leadership questions. I need out. AskTOP is hosted by CSM Mark Gerecht (US Army Retired) and features guest articles authored by a number of qualified Subject Matter Experts. (1) In the direct line of supervision of the rated NCO and designated as the senior rater for a minimum period of 60 rated days. 4) Depart TDY. REASON FOR SUBMISSION n. We all know which of our coworkers . Annual: prepared 12 months after the last issued NCOER. 5OJ QJ ^J h8 Have you been confronted by an ethical dilemma? }87>F!V>N5ckrtNNLBtm&m]fTL9)53)5 c3k7IFt"bir#?tj^1 LB#Y'o+FJW_LD|$w1*uk;blngb trSq i'rp~}@v%hp0lt;7k@q,qy(r?3(8i%>VPIw;}/B(?Kjz7l?iG\JVvf('- j) The form will let you do this but the policy will not. I can train. 0000001628 00000 n This is not an official government website. Wrong reason code. I have stuff sent in and waiting on some paperwork stuff. AR 670-1 prescribes uniform and grooming standards for Army personnel. Ron Hite. Units have to use the wizard to record nonrated time on a form or the form will/may recalculate and overwrite the number of months at time of submission. ACHIEVEMENT #1 _____________served exceptionally as a Stryker ICVV driver while assigned to ________ Company, 2nd . Course Hero is not sponsored or endorsed by any college or university. There is no required length or type of nonrated time between the THRU date of the last OER or NCOER and the, establishment of a new rating relationship in order to render an Extended Annual report. its not cool. endstream endobj startxref When an NCOER is completed on an NCO at a temporary duty/special duty (TDY/SD/TCS), the TDY/SD unit information may be . We are making strides everyday to update our website and will continue to do so. These ratings are allowed but the reviewers must nonconcur with one or both of the rating officials and write his/her own assessment in a memorandum that gets attached to the evaluation. Each Soldiers situation must be considered individually, just as each evaluation report. hZ h8 Extended annuals with more than 12 months in the month block and/or no nonrated codes. Extract AR 623-3 3-43. Common NCOER Error Codes Common NCOER Error Codes Recently Added Latest articles in NCOER Prepare An NCOER (click the blocks on the NCOER to view info) NCOER FAQ AR 623-205 NCOER Bullet Database DA Form 2166-8 NCO-ER Bullet Examples and Explanations NCOER Appeals Checklist The standards outlined in AR 670-1 change over time to reflect changing . Bullets going over 2 lines. my question. I said these because due to CONVID 19, the organization did not have much to do.Soldier has been moved from a team to brigade to act as secretary to the brigade commander office pending on the civilian hiring position. Use of PCS for NCOER is not allowed (although in the form drop down menu). A key component of the current evaluation system is that rated Soldiers get to actually see and review their evaluation prior to its placement in the OMPF. Hard; Annual reports have 12 months with no nonrated time. A code 04, "Change of Duty" report, is mandatory when a rated Soldier is reassigned to a different principal duty while still serving under the same rater or when he or she is separated from Army service. You are using an out of date browser. If they have not been, the rater should make some comment. Also, by signing your NCOER, you agree to the admin part. FULLY CAPABLE (or promote) and the senior, Amazingly many evaluations arent reviewed for a correct Rated Soldier SSN. weird right? This ensures that any evaluation (i.e.  T i m e s N e w R o m a n 1 . Change of rater should be used. Bullets not spaced with a blank space/line. %M,Eq\"y|n.ahT 6KZdvd^c]rS4$-!Kz,)f2'%l7>gDMpvZ$7n{@7u'NY?j6W,_'!G}KQ`ao0zzMbG;5- G;/6rrj{0c[TLp,437@l$/6>? I am waiting on orders to clear and get out. Z10b?sxn$zc=}aF|5q?6g#pNyJA>(k54#j$o " if I have unrated time does that hurt my retirement. (See paras 3-30, 4-12, and 5-11 of AR 623-205 for exceptions.) HVrF+|"&q*XY%rs`PTJ$ROS.lM=KHV (0IF [!@%Lou1RpLd]%Ox@jR}b&I9)YAhSf.&=030zJ!%e~t~t~}+`t5s"d&(70S%)b`QD(6@eKO\fwShN\7EPuhM@qO :vf q4D`0AjlM | K/mN>c9:0=&J5g|b;9r~VX9 This situation is allowed by regulation without required reviewer interaction but sends a mixed message to selection boards. 0000001714 00000 n endstream endobj 522 0 obj <>stream Their NCOER dont annotate the word PROFILE but should reflect either PASS, FAIL, or be left blank for no APFT, depending on their status with that alternate APFT. Many of these reports will arrive reflecting for the APFT PROFILE and no date. endstream endobj 517 0 obj <>/Metadata 9 0 R/Outlines 13 0 R/PageLayout/SinglePage/Pages 514 0 R/StructTreeRoot 18 0 R/Type/Catalog>> endobj 518 0 obj <>>>/Rotate 0/StructParents 0/Tabs/S/Type/Page>> endobj 519 0 obj <>stream It may not display this or other websites correctly. I also have absolutely no experience with a med board and I was in a airborne unit for 17 years. Missing rated Soldier signatures without any explanation or with an explanation that the CAC doesnt work. startxref Is it true when a new leader takes over I get a fresh start and my previous counselings no longer matter? I can get that cool hour glass and everyone can carry me out because bt that time I'm not walking anywise.. Bullets spaced with more than a single spaces between them. Jg-raAqn6({! All materials contained on this site are protected by United States copyright law and may not be reproduced, distributed, transmitted, displayed, published, broadcast, or in any way exploited without the prior written permission of Mentor Enterprises, Inc. or in the case of third party materials, the owner of that content. A NCOER was never completed for this time frame. I just need to know about the NCOER thing and if the medboard process takes to long can I just get out. I had major trying to shove one down my throat. 343. hbbd``b`>$C`201210"g0 373 0 obj<>stream 30 day requirement can be waived under certain circumstances. Reason is that board members question if rating officials were actually rating officials all the way to the end of the rating period. I was trying to get out at 16.5 and 17 and at the transfer and after the transfer. hSn0@%@ ifs 9Zb[H_e)s#&6B#,Aq77C!z }:r{G.'/}WpvrJXq9/~v|tm[4gE;P=SE.Q7w%>J=ROoX5'j6M_p{v(n8q)Boc8iSPJAbPiVJj(bO L|1S! l 0000000476 00000 n A code 04, "Change of Duty" report, is mandatory when a rated Soldier is reassigned to a different principal duty while still serving under the same rater or when he or she is separated from Army service. Start: Jun 29, 2022 Get Offer Offer That should also be a change of rater. Hj0~ I was in a motorcycle accident and my chain of command directed that I perform over 100 hours of riding mentorship before I can use my cycle again by myself. =~QOO?~zV 3 arrival in a new unit or position under a rater, unless another type of mandatory or optional evaluation is warranted (for example, Change of Rater, Change of Duty, Complete the Record, or SROption). &8 .53\C)_T LQ0ErlF11Dq.Qa Reviewers not writing and attaching letters of non-concurrence when the rater and senior rater box checks are inconsistent. DAPAM 623-3 is pretty specific with what is required for FAILS or PROFILES in the APFT section and for NO in the HT/WT section. Also, as the regulation stands right now there should be at least 21 months of physical time between FROM and THRU dates to qualify for an extended annual. 5OJ QJ ^J h[ 0J CJ OJ QJ ^J aJ h[ 5OJ QJ ^J #h[ h[ 5CJ$ OJ QJ ^J aJ$ h[ CJ aJ 7 g h l . o Updates submission and processing procedures of DA Form 2166-9-1, DA Form 2166-9-2, and DA Form 2166-9-3 for Army National Guard noncommissioned officers (para 3-33 and app H). It will be followed successively by other types of. hb```f``a`d``| @f@ R>Ln,cf0Q1a JavaScript is disabled. +z#|sYgY0gS8gZW(|> I am waiting for the TBI one I guess. However, if an event occurs that requires the preparation of an OER or, NCOER (for example, Change of Rater) before the 12 rated months (365 rated days) have accumulated, an OER or, NCOER will be rendered with a THRU date that corresponds with the event requiring an evaluation. That last element will change in the next regulation release but for now still stands. There needs to be an explanation and if needed the lack of CAC can work but Soldiers have the option of ink-signing and this option should be used when needed. I figure if this takes as long as everyone else (12 individuals) then I can jsut give up and retire in aug 2021. Annual: prepared 12 months after the last issued NCOER. The NCO Corps deserves a lot better. trailer > T8 \ p B a = = d(8 X@ " 1  A r i a l 1  A r i a l 1  A r i a l 1  A r i a l 1 . Bye the way my battalion commander made 3 Star. Problems in the APFT or HT/WT area. There are two problems here. Missing rated Soldier signatures without any explanation or with an explanation that the CAC doesnt work. 532 0 obj <>/Filter/FlateDecode/ID[<6FE3C53DA0E19643A834C17A8DCC5D13>]/Index[516 22]/Info 515 0 R/Length 82/Prev 100999/Root 517 0 R/Size 538/Type/XRef/W[1 2 1]>>stream 0 My chain of command frequently puts out information after 2000 hours is there anything I can do to get them to do it during formation or a reasonable hour? I have been trying to get a med board for a while. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. DAPAM 623-3 is pretty specific with what is required for FAILS or PROFILES in. "Change of Duty" report a. ;q everyone wants to help and now that I've gotten ahold of the very nice lady that works on MEDBOARD stuff it the paperwork is due soon and hopefully they can schedule appointments. 0 A-Awol B-Break in active enlisted service of 12 months or less A code 04, Change of Duty report, is mandatory when a rated Soldier is reassigned to a different principal dutywhile still serving under the same rater or when he or she is separated from Army service. Correct, but you only receive a nonrated code for leave if it is 30 or more days. The number of rated months will not exceed 3 (4 for USAR TPU, DIMA, or. I'm on a dead man profile its all related to my EID blast in Iraq. N o r m a l CJ _HaJ mH sH tH D A` D D e f a u l t P a r a g r a p h F o n t R i R T a b l e N o r m a l 4 is FAIR or POOR (do not promote, a 4 or 5). 0000001411 00000 n Bullets going over 2 lines. Incorrect SSN for rated Soldiers. Ordnance corp. What type of NCOER am I supposed to receive while awaiting my assignment? endstream endobj 521 0 obj <>stream A mandatory code 10, Extended Annual report will be prepared when any nonrated time periods have occurred, since the THRU date of the previous OER or NCOER (for example, prior to the establishment of a new rating, relationship between the rated Soldier and the rater). It states that once you arrive to your new unit, you would traditionally get an extended annual to take in account for your transition leave. Wrong reason code. %PDF-1.6 % + The next regulation will make these requirements for NCOER slightly more generic but until then the current rules stand. Relief for Cause: for a NCO whose performance warrants this NCOER and has a minimum of 30 days rated time. I recently received an Article 15 and I am due to ETS in 2 months but my unit wants to chapter me. Here are nine reasons the Army needs to go back to the drawing board with NCO evals: 1. Change of rater should be used. Are you looking for an unbiased outside opinion? Page 48, table 3-6/7, Codes and Reasons for submission/Reason Codes for non-rated time there was a pandemic and I am trying to be medboarded can I request unrated time? None of these are acceptable in most situations. minus nonrated time) will be no more than 12 months (365 rated days). Seven Types of NCOERs Initial: prepared for a NCO with 3 rated months after promotion to SGT/E-5. endstream endobj 520 0 obj <>stream the medboard seems to be moving now, I just need to know about the NCOER thing and if the medboard process takes to long can I just get out. I just cant physically do anything. I have 18.5 years right now and every eval is exceptional. Change of Rater: prepared when the soldier has a change of rater, provided there are at least 3 rated months involved. In other words, AR 670-1 exists to show soldiers how to look like soldiers. What can I do if my NCOER is 75 days past its thru date? endstream endobj 524 0 obj <>stream 2) Change of Rater. He held 3 military occupational specialties (Field Artillery, Nuclear Weapons Tech, and Ammunition Ordnance). Missing counseling dates without an explanation by the senior rater. Watch SGT Josh Maria as he explains more about the PSD: . 9\+%[dC!o[[[XXGv`fZdZ Are you supposed to receive quarterly counselings prior to your NCOER? ncoer reason for submission codessheldon evans crypto net worthsheldon evans crypto net worth I have renelisted to active duty and have looked into OCS which requires the last 3 NCOERs and WOCS which requires the last 10 years. I am currently getting revaluated with the VA and I am half way through the evaluation and I have a 90% rating I have like 10-15 more appointments with them. I am being told I will receive a dishonorable discharge. 611 0 obj <>/Filter/FlateDecode/ID[<1261714E461053080D48A61750C448C4><2E62CE6C84585345BE61DD794C2F663D>]/Index[606 11]/Info 605 0 R/Length 49/Prev 784385/Root 607 0 R/Size 617/Type/XRef/W[1 2 1]>>stream Figure 31 contains example of timelines to show when an Extended report is, (1) All schooling periods, whether or not the Soldier receives an AER, will be accounted for as nonrated time on. 606 0 obj <> endobj SFC (Join to see) the guidance about this issue came out in an ALARC message. Change of Rater: prepared when the soldier has a change of rater, provided there are at least 3 rated months involved. Can a Soldier flagged for over weight be deployed? 516 0 obj <> endobj (5) A rated Soldier may also receive an optional Extended Annual OER or NCOER under unique circumstances. I have 18.5 years right now and every eval is exceptional. Ncoer Reason For Submission Codes. How should I determine the thru date on my NCOER for an overseas PCS? [Content_Types].xmlN0EH-J@%|$ULTB l,3;rJB+$G]7OV. ETS Retirement. 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Find out what's new at AskTOP.net, new product notifications, and get exclusive offers! endstream endobj startxref Can you name at least 3 Reason codes for non-rated time? i. reason for submission : j. period covered k. rated months . The THRU date will include 90 rated, days (120 rated days for USAR TPU, DIMA, or drilling IRR Soldiers or ARNG Soldiers). Must a Soldier be counseled before separ Must a Soldier be counseled before separation? There are many coming in without signatures (legally by regulation) but probably more than need to. Ncoer Reason For Submission Codes Codes and reasons for an NCOER submission named them. px2iq I-e\,JMFVPz5imc~9pfY}AfEO5xP `e '#I*!m}M.)0p4 !^@ #i`4M!82x2N\X:5dX`d0 " The DA Form 2166-8 also provides evaluation information to ensure that sound personnel management decisions can be made and that an NCO's potential can be fully developed. This occurs when the rater marks in VII.a. now there is an actual medical NCO in this one unfortunately the commander died in a plan crash so now they finally got a replacement. Getting ready to PCS, my Rater says my thru date is the report date from my orders. The intent of this type of report is to give a rated Soldier an evaluation similar to an Annual containing 12 rated months after. No bullets on front side, not all sections with at least one bullet. zd{l9j(Y*!MJX[geCP,$Bt'Uj k5v rF/T^}(sBG\}qxOd_4ZBtA My battalion commander gave him 24 hours to change the report. Thanks for your service and your support. No report is submitted when organizational changes merely alter the rated Soldiers principal duty title butdo not change the type of work performed (for example, personnel management staff officer to Assistant G1). The period covered on the, Extended Annual report will be longer than 1 calendar year, but the rating period or rated months (period covered. Also, for profiles the rater is supposed to comment on whether or not the profile hinders the Rated Soldiers ability to do his/her job. information on timeliness of OER and NCOER submissions and ties it to . Amandatory code 03, Change of Rater report, will be prepared when a change of duty also results in a change of rater(see para 340). Soldiers with permanent profiles also get an alternate APFT or are allowed not to take an APFT. 2023 AskTOP.net Leader Development for Army Professionals. I was a 1SG for a while and stayed on until I could find a replacement because we had no senior NCOES that were not deployed or deploying. Special Reports: for circumstances of outstanding or poor performance as long as there are 30 days accounted for and the report is approved by a field grade officer. That meant either no one checked prior to signature or submission or the PROFILE date was more than 12 months prior to the evaluation THRU date and the form would not let the date be entered. &NI?q:\`1vINhCpiWI4zI5nuz^asRF"oqZ@jCobn'A*1~KM;+-Yil}o)+9C9X~v^QDB.q)AGvB @jT/(Cs4>mm#4z9z However no one will mentor me. There's not enough peer input. Your senior rater is what counts. Missing counseling dates without an explanation by the senior rater. The Complete the Record term is one for evaluations just prior to selection boards. This occurs when the rater marks in VII.a. Many of these reports will arrive reflecting for the APFT PASS and no date. Raters use the DA Form 2166-8 (NCOER) to provide DA with performance and potential assessments of each rated NCO. We. There dont have to be dates in the blocks; but if there arent, the senior rater must make a mention of their absence. ssn a3. . endstream endobj 610 0 obj <>stream The PSD is our unique mobile app that helps Army leaders find a perfect DA Form template solution, through proven examples and a winning framework, so you can quickly submit a proper form while saving tons of time and mental energy. 537 0 obj <>stream Rating officials and rated Soldiers signing more than 14 days prior to the THRU date. reports (for example, Annual, Change of Rater, SROption, Complete the Record, and Relief for Cause). Submit your question and AskTOP! Then your next will have non rated time for the time your were on leave. ; /[U-,G!Sa 9pgJoe0>&i,^(\k Zci\gIeeY#5y9j 9uedRhNW'd:3A>27 Thank you for the guidance 1SG! Subject: Do I Need an Evaluation Report if I am Going to ETS, Retire, or Separate Under the Med Board Process? 365 0 obj <> endobj 365 9 Your thru date should be the date you sign out. Extended annuals with more than 12 months in the month block and/or no nonrated codes. 0000000016 00000 n xTKSQ?v45diE %PDF-1.6 % The THRU date will be 12 rated months (365 rated days) after the. (4) Extended evaluations reports that include any nonrated time periods since the THRU date of the previous, OER or NCOER and prior to the establishment of a new rating relationship between the rated Soldier and the rater, require the preparation of a code 10, Extended Annual OER or NCOER (see para 342, months will not exceed 12 (365 rated days) even though the period covered exceeds 1 calendar year. Complete the Record: requested from the Department of the Army. You must log in or register to reply here. I have never heard of the -205 before, so I will give it a look over tomorrow. Standard, reason-for-submission codes (for example, code 03, Change of Rater, or code 04, Change of Duty, and so forth), will apply on these Extended reports that end before the required 12 rated months (365 rated days), even though the, "period covered" on the OER or NCOER may exceed 1 calendar year. Will this missing NCOER cause a problem with applying for either? %PDF-1.4 % Normally, this type of report will be rendered as, the first evaluation for newly assigned Officers and NCOs in an organization. physically I also have some head issues too. Ncoer manual submission . %%EOF ]"|W~2>6HXg>t].Q\'_[#{>q }d<=OO$C%lMW'BVPDzxqg[tdBD+R \e$yN)U+ "oSMj4h7BfyTdIt] 7h9Cp6@q]4O`#)CJx@yPxdg0. Reviewers not writing and attaching letters of non-concurrence when the rater and senior rater box, . Or vice versa: the senior rater marks a potential box of SUPERIOR (promote, 3) but the rater marks MARGINAL (do not promote). Course Hero is not sponsored or endorsed by any college or university. My platoon sergeant is now telling me I have to do my NCOER that is due in less than 30 days. Use information from multiple sources when making important professional decisions. Counseling Dates When counseling dates are omitted, the senior rater will enter a statement in section Ve, explaining why counseling was not accomplished example counseling dates were not documented ; DA Pam. months; nonrated codes are found in DA Pam 6233. Question/situation: I am going through the Medical board process and I'm almost complete. As for confusion you can never have more than 12 months of rated time on an evaluation.