[1][2] By the early 20th century Moorepark was bounded by the commercial properties, tenements and villas of the Broomloan estate to the east and railway lines to the west. Co. Ltd., Alexander Stephens & Sons, J & G Thomson, Harland & Wolff and more. I went undercover on the 'Wine Alley' to tackle drug problem Ex-undercover police officer Simon McLean has written about his experience tackling Glasgow's drug problem during the 80s. What a memory. Yet, there is still much to show that community power is not only real but can work effectively. Reply. I had never seen one before. Years ago Govan was a brilliant shopping place. The county added to the description of these lands, the phrase: "but now by annexation in the County of Renfrew. Not a penny in our pockets other than the price of admission to the pictures on a Saturday afternoon and some extra for some sweeties, I remember my grandmother used to give Helen my sweetie coupons from the back of the Ration Book, as she had such a sweet tooth that she would have ate her way through February and March coupons even though it was only January and stores knew we were still going to be rationed for some time to come (I didn't have a sweet tooth so always had coupons to spare). I have no memory just my dad's story. Management of entrance into the block zones was poor while the risk of personal attack inside and outside the flats was high. Dry Docks Cafe. He lived on Govan Road. It was dedicated to St Constantine, who had been buried at Govan. ; Scots: Gouan; Scottish Gaelic: Baile a' Ghobhainn) is a district, parish, and former burgh now part of south-west City of Glasgow, Scotland. A similar uncertainty existed regarding the nearby lands of Pollokshields and Westends. 2 If his western city is invariably "smoky" and even hellish in aspect, throughout his poem "Edinburgh" the Scottish capital is glimpsed "high in . Instead, it referred to the popularity of cheap and powerful tonic wines particularly with young people - the vast consumption of which would often lead to violence and disorder. They suggested that the hill may have been a 12th-century Norman motte. Every month her and neighbours would make tablet, cakes, scones and stuff. I can see from the various pieces of information I have obtained that the Leddy's lived in various places in Govan including 61 Victoria Street, 10 John Street, 76 White Street and 11 Logie Street. Our children and grandchildren have been back many times as well. Houses are places to live in, either for one person or several. An isolated island of cheap building land, Glasgow Corporation bought the Moorepark land and in 1934 built the Moorepark Housing Estate, a typical Glasgow rehousing scheme of three-storey grey concrete-block tenements. [16] In 1912, Glasgow annexed Govan after a series of annexation battles. The latest victory for the SNP was in the 2007 Scottish parliamentary elections, when Nicola Sturgeon became the MSP for the constituency. Then the area - close to Rangers home at Ibrox - had a reputation for deprivation and poverty having been built in the 1930s to relieve overcrowding in the Gorbals. inaccuracy or intrusion, then please Pagini similare. Lots of memories too many to say here. He had a kilt on and a curly walking stick. It was regarded at the time as perhaps the worst slum in Britain, and the people who lived there were treated like vermin by the authorities whom we treated likewise. Through the ages people have lived in houses, building them according to the climate, topography, the material available, and the social and cultural ideas of the time. My Aunt Marg & Uncle Jack Johnstone had the paper shop on Govan Road. 6 Markus, 1993, p. 163 Young Young Winey (Govan) (G51) (Moorpark) 'Republican Wine Alley' . Our first daughter was born in 1962, and then when she was six months old, we went to Toronto, Canada. During the two-week surveillance every addict who called at Burnside's flat for drugs was then arrested by the team and questioned. It was followed by an undercover drugs team down the M8, onto the M74 and over the border into England. I was born in Govan in 1950 at 10 Pearce Street across from the P.I., there was only one close in Pearce Street. [3][4], A majority of the new residents were from the Gorbals, instead of the Govan area, which had pressing issues with overcrowding and poor quality tenements. Someone took me to the Orkney Street Police Station. Like Pauline I also went to St. Margaret's and I also recall Susan's Shop. 99m New Cafe India Govan . Great memories of Summertown Road baths. Does anyone remember going out the back courts and jumping over them? ), the street was a dead end because a school had burnt down. The City of Woodinville's Mayor Mike Millan cut the ribbon to mark the occasion. My gran lived upstairs at 12 Water row. Worst of all were the problems relating to the 759 flats and maisonettes in the Hutchestown Area E phase at Crown Street. Listing details information provided by Stephen Redding. We lived in a low-down coal-fire heated home at 9 Lettoch Street and we only ever moved once and that was to the house directly above us. He wanted to discover how and why such places came into being and to see if remedies could be found. Govan is served by Govan Subway Station, Ibrox Subway Station and Cessnock Subway Station on the Glasgow subway system. This is a 12th-century Latin source, but one believed to be based on much earlier materials; it records a place near Dumbarton Rock named Ouania. My mum's brother Spinx (George Hewitt) stayed in Teucharhill and my dad's brother Alex Rodgers drove a milk float. Govan and Fisher, former NBA player and current head coach for the Los Angeles Sparks, got married on Saturday at Cielo Farms in Malibu, California. Wine Alley by Colin Quigley. If either cop was caught then they were on a hiding to nothing. I would like to hear from anybody who knew any of us up until 1981 when my mum and dad left Ibrox to move to Craigton. Glorious Govan. The Old Govan Fair. I was searching for Harry Lauder pictures and came across this interesting site. Around 1963 we moved to Arden where I went St Louise Primary School. No1seems2care. During the Viking Age, following the sack of Dumbarton Rock in 870, Govan is believed to have been one of the major centres of the Kingdom of Strathclyde. Claire Fitzpatrick - I wonder if your Mary is one of our family? Our parents and our brother were also married there, and we were all Christened there as well. The main point of the Presentation was that, in an area which had lost 80% of its population (between 1951 and 2001), the re-zoning of demolished housing areas for warehousing and offices meant that there was less chance of people coming back into the area to live, as houses were needed in these areas and not anonymous commercial barns and offices. [34], Alexander Stephen and Sons also established a shipyard in nearby Linthouse in 1870. Again, as in the cast of the Gorbals, little was done to remedy the situation until the individual agencies within the local communities combined their power to get something done. Again, where were the democratic, caring authorities when the 1987-1990 Glasgow Housing Condition Survey found that in a third of the citys houses suffered from condensation, dampness and mould and did little about it? Komunitn organizcia. Acumfaegovan born and brought up on Langlands Road with my sisters Susan and Elaine Wilson by my wonderful parents Vera and Bill Wilson. When I was a wee lassie of four living on Neptune Street in the early 50's I walked away down the street from our close and got lost. In his 2008 memoir Chasing Killers he reflected on his time on the Southside. Unresolved: Release in which this issue/RFE will be addressed. Does anyone remember Reid the baker who was in Neptune Street around about the 1950s? who originated from the Helen Street area of Govan, but are now based further west at Shieldhall. I cleaned it up and he must have been watching, as he came back out to see if I had done well. In sum, effective participatory urban management calls for a fundamental rethink from all the players involved, from the local authorities and development agencies, through local (and sometimes international) non-governmental organisations, to the community-based organisations themselve; in redefining their roles and relationships, if something is to be done for the benefit of all. We went this year to the Fairfield shipyard museum which was very interesting. We engraved pet medallions and Jackie let me do it because I had nice handwriting. In Great Britain, community planning has evolved and not only has it kept its identity, but it has also retained its application as a primary vehicle through which social change is enacted at a local level, by members of the community acting together to improve the lifestyle of the group as a whole. However, people striving to improve their existing environment have limited freedom to act independently. My dad was taken in to see the wee boy, turns out it was me. There I was, short hair, snotty-nosed from crying and eating an ice cream cone. At the end of his stay in the housing scheme Damer wrote a report on the area entitled From Moorepark to Wine Alley in what was a damning indictment of officialdom for its arrogant neglect of Moorepark and the people who lived there. I went to Broomloan Rd nursery then the school. [15], With Morris Pollok as its first Provost, the Burgh and its Commissioners ensured that during the next 48 years Govan became a well-equipped, modern town. Ai uitat contul? Instead, it referred to the popularity of cheap and powerful tonic wines particularly with young people - the vast consumption of which would often lead to violence and disorder. Contents Where Were Hanged In Glasgow? Many memories but top must be winning Whitefield Cup with Under 13s against Lourdes in 1962 by 7-6. Canmore ID 315779. We had and still have such a loving family even although our parents and grandparents have passed, but Govan made us that way because it was a great community and you knew who your neighbours were. You Wine Alley Govan Team were shite begs. A list of almost 3000 ships built at Govan has been collected in the "Clydebuilt Database". However, the local paper still remained hostile, hypocritical, and unhelpful about the whole idea. Drumoyne primary it was, a year after my big brother Robert started (about 53) then on to Govan High School, that was the one which caught fire when I was due to sit my O levels (no excuses). I went to St. Anthony's Primary School and after passing my quallies I went to St. Gerard's. Jimmy's was our local shop and Ruby's was out local bakery which fed the Fairfield's workers. (was it Grant's????? Only neighbours I remember were children Mary and her younger brother James Haggerty who lived in same close which I think was 95 Golspie Street. It was fantastic we even had a large grass area to play such a great childhood. It was great reading all the stories. Government organisation. Used to spend all summer there paying in twice, having to queue up for second swim with towel around yourself sometimes freezing and having to wait in line. Ther were many menswear shops such as Jackson the Tailor and John Collier. On the other hand, a government that takes no heed of the community at large fails also. Forgotten account? From Rushden we came back to Larbert, then to Lauder. During the late 19th century, the population of Govan increased more than tenfold: from 9,000 in 1864 to 95,000 by 1907. [31], In 1999, GEC's Marconi Marine division purchased the yard when Kvrner announced its departure from the shipbuilding industry. Forgotten account? Govan's earliest recorded name may be found in the Historia regum Anglorum attributed to Symeon of Durham. In 1975 the sociologist Sean Damer went to live for six months in Britains most notorious housing scheme, Moorepark, or as it was known to all The Wine Alley of Govan in Glasgow. contact IPSO here, 2001-2023. Jack, Margaret, Frank, Gerry, May, Charlie and Kathleen, Annie Maguire's 7 children. The writer on housing problems, T. A. Markus, wondered why many important questions were never asked in the planning process. Situated south of the River Clyde and part of the former Burgh of Govan, it was colloquially referred to as 'Wine Alley' during the mid-to-late 20th century when a housing scheme with a rough reputation was sited there. Police enter in twos with another car on standby. Dry Docks Cafe. J. N. REILLY There is a war on. James and Catherine moved to Govan from Ireland and lived on Victoria (Neptune) Street and Langlands Road. I was the smallest and skinniest one there, there were about 10 of us up on the dyke, they're all shouting at me, so I shouts I'm just gettting ready. My dad gave my a slap for not fighting them, god was only about five years old. Again, as happened in Moorepark in the mid 1970s, selective letting policies resulted in the housing of people who suffered not only from economic deprivation but had many related social problems of drink, drugs, and petty theft. NGR Description Centred NS55416 65081. I used to walk up Neptune Street between the two grandparents homes, but even that seems to have been cut off. Community organisation. [23], It was parodied by the BBC sitcom Rab C. Nesbitt. The authors would like to thank Glasgow Braendam Link, The Faith in Community (Scotland) Transformation Team, Oxfams UK Poverty Programme, and the Poverty Alliance for suggesting the idea of this project for the worlds Poverty Day on October 17th 2005. who until March 2014 played at Tinto Park (Drumoyne) then moved to the adjacent New Tinto Park. I asked him if I was going to jail, he said not at all and he gave me a sweetie. I used to go to the Harhill Baths every Friday night.Saturday mornings, afternoons were at the Lyceum or The Plaza Picture Houses. The church of Govan was a prebend of Glasgow. JAMES D. YOUNG Culture and Socialism: Working-Class Glasgow, 1778-1978, The future of Technics and Civilisation Lewis Mumford, The intellectual life of the British Working Classes. Once the area had gained a bad reputation (through no fault of its own), this was picked up by Govans local newspaper, The Govan Press, who furthered the image in a relentlessly aggressive campaign against the inhabitants until even the authorities began to believe it too. I personally don't have any memories of Govan although I'm sure I visited family who were living there many years ago in the late sixties. Renton, WA 98058. Komunitn organizcia. I was born in Govan in 1942 and lived in Elder Stree before moving to 15 Water Row above the bakers James Jack & Sons, my father worked there for 56 years. I remember a chemist called Brays on Govan Rd. We went back to Govan until we could get passage, and I attended Bellahouston Academy. Best people you could meet. Govan Old Parish Church was rebuilt in 1762, 1826, and again 1884-1888. Rather than go on strike, which was the traditional form of industrial action, the union leadership of the yards decided to have a work-in and complete the orders that the shipyards had in place. Click on the Bus route to see step by step directions with maps, line arrival times and updated time schedules. 25 bus to the Gladstone Gospel Hall at the corner of Golspie St and Logie St. Synopsis A later rebuilding was begun in 1884 and was opened 19 May 1888.[11][45]. The above digital stories were made by members of Govan Reminiscence Group for the Heritage Lottery funded Britain From Above Community Project in Govan, Glasgow, during Spring 2014. Skater Girl. As the rate of urbanisation has increased in the last 30 years, the government capacity to support the disadvantaged within this sphere has in many cases failed. Teraz nie. 100m Freshair Salon . Several hotel chains have moved in while both BBC Scotland and STV have their studio complexes there. My Granny lived at 60 Greenfield Street next to Mrs Knox's wee shop. The locals in Govan fear that gentrification is making its way in, in the face of community objections.15 He said: "So I had a house and I had a supply, because I knew someone who could get me smack. Two associated Christian burials are radiocarbon dated to the 5th or 6th centuries, making Govan the earliest known Christian site in the region. In fact, Glasgow Corporation was so determined to place many of the cities socially deprived into Moorepark that they even advertised for them in the newspapers. You have to take the responsibility for some of that.''. It would also mean long hours of up to 18 hours day in unpleasant conditions. They share a rivalry with St Anthony's F.C. I remember the following; sitting on the kerb at the mouth of the close playing with the soft tar on the road in the summer with a stick and my mum using melted butter to get the stains of our clothes, playing peever with a shoe polish tin, making up little shows which we all performed in the high backs ,climbing over the pailings, and often getting our knees impaled on the sharp spikes at the top, playing balls against the wall singles and doubles too, climbing onto the steamie roof and jumping onto the pub roof dodging the barbed wire spikes, playing ropes singles and doublers, and swinging on the telephone wires above the low back steamie roof, Summertown Road steamie and baths. I always thought it was a listed building. Community service. Introduction In 1975 the sociologist Sean Damer went to live for six months in Britain's most notorious housing scheme, Moorepark, or as it was known to all The Wine Alley' of Govan in Glasgow. Moorepark was demolished and converted into an industrial estate in the 1990s, along with a nearby contemporary development at Teucharhill which had a similar tough reputation. And I went to see Grease at The Liceum on Govan Road. I loved going to the Steamie with my Mum and her friends. As a subscriber, you are shown 80% less display advertising when reading our articles. Conecteaz-te. Nothing but grateful for my early Govan years. I went to St.Constantines Primary School. One was that there was no real attempt at involving the tenants in these changes, nor was there any attempt at involving the community in the future management of their own locale. My mother Josaphine Devlin and her brother Greg were born Drumoyan Street Govan. Fixed: Release in which this issue/RFE has been fixed.The release containing this fix may be available for download as an Early Access Release or a General Availability Release. 1 Damer, 1989, (passim), Life in theWine Alley I had to leave early as I was going to a residential orchestral camp but I was so heartbroken at the shop closing, I didn't want to miss a moment of that last day. Clyde News. Creeaz un cont nou. I went to St Anthony's then St Gerard's and was there at the same time as Billy Connolly though he is a year older than me. Related Pages. Went to the new Hills Trust School in about 1975 where Mrs Carnegie was head teacher. I remember your family at 100 Harmony Row, my cousin Maisie McAlinden was friendly with the family also my Granny, or as she was better known, MAW Austin, hence I was bettter known a Joe Austin. The Govan of my parents had gone, the works and the jobs and the people they spoke about had all gone. There mother sold her house to get them season tickets to basketball games before they met their baby daddies. The Wine Alley is a boutique wine shop specializing in fine wines from the Pacific NW and Around the world! My paternal grandfather was an engine keeper for the Phoenix Copper Works, and lived on Brighton Street. This article is about the district in Glasgow. [21], The area has had a reputation for deprivation and poverty, partly due to the construction of housing estates in the 1930s to relieve the overcrowded slum district of The Gorbals, Glasgow. Her name was Mary Murray. Later that year Burnside was handed a 12-year prison sentence at the High Court in Glasgow following an 18-day trial, while his three associates got terms of between five and seven years. I was born in 1950 and brought up in Govan in the Moorepark housing estate or the Wine Alley, as it was commonly known. It was only a community concerted campaign, (which included a long rent strike) waged by the various groups of residents, that the Glasgow District Council agreed to re-house all of the remaining tenants. In this way they dispelled the idea of the workers being "work-shy" and also wanted to illustrate the long-term viability of the yards. I lived my early years in Govan on Vicarfield Street opposite St. Gerard's School where many of my older cousins attended, amongst them the McCurrys. One thing is clear about Woodinville's Woodin Creek, it is very dog friendly! I remember at one time there were thirteen of us staying in the house including the lassie across the street who came to stay for a night and more or less remained there for about five years. Not Now. Although the scheme had a bad reputation for crime, drinking and violence, as a child I never felt unsafe or deprived in any way and knew only kindness from my family, friends, relatives and neighbours. There were two other sporting venues for local residents and workers located in the south of Govan (with no space available in the industrial northern area at the Clyde): White City Stadium and Albion Greyhound Stadium, both now entirely demolished. It is important that we continue to promote these adverts as our local businesses need as much support as possible during these challenging times. I remember that when he told me that he had studied at university and that what he was now doing was his job I laughed at his education and his job. Nobody like them in the World. I almost joined Majorettes but I had no coordination so no chance of being Govan Queen either that year. Alley & Vine. It was later in 1974 that she began her Stairhead Seminars in the so-called "Wine Alley" area of Govan which led, in 1976, to the Govan Project. They were followed there and back by a second surveillance team and the vehicle stopped near Ibrox. Get into Govan. You can make a complaint by using the report this post link . The lack of house building was not only an added threat to the existing shops and services but also to community life which was struggling just to survive because of the lack of houses. He said be a good girl, I don't want to see you when you're 17 causing problems. Over the years the Wine Alley had been severely neglected by the council and in the 1980s like a lot of places in Britain people were faced with high unemployment, drug abuse and crime, it continued to get worse and the homes were in such a bad state due to continued council neglect and lack of investment that they were demolished by 1995 and the people scattered to the 4 corners of Govan and beyond.http://www.acumfaegovan.com Does anyone remember Cuthbertson's dairies milk depot Vicarfield street Govan. Within a years, Moorepark had gained the abusive epithet of the Wine Alley. I stayed at 146 Copland Road above the Light Blue Cafe went to Ibrox primary School 1941 till 1948 happy times. Moorepark is a small area in the Scottish city of Glasgow. HP10 9TY. Govan feels vibrant again. I would like to know if anyone remembers these times. THURSO BERWICK (1919-1981) Hullo! [27], In 1971, Upper Clyde Shipbuilders went into receivership and the Conservative government led by Edward Heath refused to give them a 6,000,000 loan. Community organisation. I was born at 17 Holmfaulhead Drive, Linthouse in 1947 and went to Elderpark School. My mother was Frances Leddy and she was born at 57 Hamilton Street in 1926. 124m Freshair Salon . I'm thinking I never whined at them again. We loved it there and had best times growing up in Govan, a great wee community and a great bunch of people, neighbours were great and we had lots of great friends to play with. Great times. I recall going to the Co-op hypermarket on a Saturday morning for messages. We lived in Southcroft St., when we got married. My Aunt Marg and Cousin Debbie still live in Govan. That suggested that the suspect was taking the van south to Manchester or Liverpool to pick up much larger drug consignments. Driscoll, Stephen, "Govan, an early medieval royal centre", p. 79. I now live in Scotstoun but attend same dentist at Water Row Govan! Redevelopment was never completed and the combined effects of poor building specifications, and carelessness in the design of the surrounding spaces were becoming embarrassingly apparent. [25], Govan was at one point the centre of the world-renowned Clydeside shipbuilding industry. I liked Daddy Boyd although I never had him as a teacher, he was in charge of the rowing club of which I enjoyed many an hour on the Clyde. My granny Flora McFadyen was one of the oldest and longest residents in the Wine Alley. Also remember when we started school in 1943, we had to carry our gas masks with us. It seemed a dangerous idea but worth the risk if they could dent a hole in a major heroin dealing operation. However, in 1989 the same area was one of the most crime-ridden and deprived in Scotland. When they married on the 29/4/1939 they moved to Hillington. My maternal grandfather was a master brass moulder in the shipyards. Hi, I'm not from Govan though my grandparents, Janet (Nettie) and David Finlayson owned a newsagents in Neptune Street in the 1940s/1950s. At the time DS Jackson said: These two cops were the real heroes and were at high risk. Therefore, the purpose of this Reflection is to make a contribution to the discussions on community planning and have the thoughts of people who have lived through other Elder park is a mess and all the railings have been taken out. I spent a lot of time at my granny's while growing up I remember we used to get payed for watching the cars when there was a game on at Ibrox. Memory says it was painted red but I might be wrong. These were not cleared until well into the 1970s. I was born 23 Elder Street, Govan in 1943. "[13], By the early part of the 19th century, Govan was rapidly losing its rural appearance and assuming the character of a town with the development of new industries and factories, including Reid's Dye Works and Pollok's Silk Mill. Full of great memories. I remember on Sunday mornings being taken with my sister, Elizabeth, on a No. Around this time heroin dealing was rife in Govan, particularly in an area called Moorepark, which was nicknamed Wine Alley. Without a home, mankind has no place. 11 Barr, 1997, p. 47-58 12Dailly, 2005, p. 8 Everyone used our street for roller skating, we called it thd smoothie! Police Scotland. The layout suited their operations as there were only two ways in and out - making it easy to spot the police. [19] It was removed in the early 19th century and Reid's Dyeworks was erected on the site. HAPPY TIMES. It may have been used to contain the body or relics of St. Constantine, a Pictish king killed seemingly killed by Vikings in 876/7 - the style of carving indicates an origin in the late 9th or early 10th century. Govan was a wonderful place to start on life's trails. My brother and I would wait for the coal lorry to come round the corner and hang onto the back of it as it drove up the street. It is situated 2.5 miles (4.0 km) west of Glasgow city centre, on the south bank of the River Clyde, opposite the mouth of the River Kelvin and the district of Partick. We moved to Cardonald when I was very small but used to go back to Govan all the time and stay with my grannie at 711 Govan Road, above McLarens Newsagents. Hi Catherine, I also lived at 100 Harmony Row and also live in Canada. Local people were also too scared to speak out for fear of reprisals. Small things eh? Daddy Boyd who used to wear his academic gowns on official occasions which I to this day found hard to understand as none of the other teachers ever wore them. He said: "I found myself in charge of one of the hardest areas within Strathclyde, if not Scotland. Thus, when Renfrewshire was created out of a sheriffdom of Lanarkshire in the early fifteenth century, the lands associated with the hospital (Polmadie) were not technically in the newly created shire, as they were not part of the sheriffdom. Govan is home to the Scottish Junior football team Benburb F.C. C/o Jones Lang LaSalle 150 St Vincent Street Glasgow G22 5ND AGENT Jones Lang LaSalle 150 St Vincent Street Glasgow G22 5ND WARD NO (S) 52, Govan COMMUNITY COUNCIL 02_073, Govan CONSERVATION AREA LISTED ADVERTTYPE Bad Neighbour Development PUBLISHED 24 October 2003 SITE AND DESCRIPTION I now live in Brydekirk village but I'll never forget Govan. 11/2. I also went to the Glasgow City Mission which was in Kintra Street, how I loved my childhood. This site is part of Newsquest's audited local newspaper network. Lifts were often out of order; maintenance of the blocks was negligible while the area surrounding the tower blocks was allowed to turn into a muddy, rubbish-strewn wasteland. Don't think I enjoyed my time at Govan High, who did but I remember the english teacher Johnny Duncan, Jock Reiburn (maths), who was strict but gave me a good basic knowledge of algebra which stood me in good stead for my future in engineering. Added to these miseries, Damer also found that drug Will they be full participants at setting the agenda for their locals or are these just pie crust promises?11 Will the same old story of the past three decades resurface where members of local communities are merely informed or consulted about changes in which they have no say?12 Perhaps one of the worst errors that the new regeneration policy is now making is that of ignoring the potential of local housing organisations as important instruments for inclusion and social capital, and their spill over effects of wider social and economic developments and issues.